Air Marshal Qualification - CCW Skills (For those looking to practice like the Pros)

[4g64loser]

Too bad the thread got derailed, because this was interesting information. I had heard the FAMS qual got changed, but never really had previously seen how.

Yep. This would be why we cant have nice things.

 

[Blaster229]

Here's the current PPC.
1 R T 1 = 1 round, reload transition to support hand, 1 round
2 B 1 H = 2 to the Body, 1 to the Head
2B1H R 2B1H = 2 Body, 1 Head - reload- 2 Body, 1 Head

The "move" with the barricades is starting out 1 step back and to either the left or right. Move into position from there and then fire.

I want to say it's pretty easy, for many it is. There are those who barely pass and that's amazing.
The main reason why people fail/almost fail is they shoot too fast. There is a TON of time for all these rounds to be shot.

In our advanced training cycling through our facility in Atlantic city we also do a ATPC, Aircraft Tactical Pistol Course. This is from sitting down in airplane seats and it too is hard as woodpecker teeth.

 

[5cary]

Here's the current PPC.
1 R T 1 = 1 round, reload transition to support hand, 1 round
2 B 1 H = 2 to the Body, 1 to the Head
2B1H R 2B1H = 2 Body, 1 Head - reload- 2 Body, 1 Head

The "move" with the barricades is starting out 1 step back and to either the left or right. Move into position from there and then fire.

I want to say it's pretty easy, for many it is. There are those who barely pass and that's amazing.
The main reason why people fail/almost fail is they shoot too fast. There is a TON of time for all these rounds to be shot.

In our advanced training cycling through our facility in Atlantic city we also do a ATPC, Aircraft Tactical Pistol Course. This is from sitting down in airplane seats and it too is hard as woodpecker teeth.

That looks the same as the standard FLETC PPC. I thought FAMs did something different (outside of the ATPC). Unless the FAM PPC is on a smaller version of the Transitional Target, perhaps?

 

[Biggfoot44]

Your question mark does not make any grammatical sense.

And yes it is... you are one of them.

I read back thru the first part of the thread now . Don't see anything controversial posted by Bertfish in the first 10 posts. Did something get deleted before I stopped in here ?

 

[Blaster229]

That looks the same as the standard FLETC PPC. I thought FAMs did something different (outside of the ATPC). Unless the FAM PPC is on a smaller version of the Transitional Target, perhaps?

I thought we just changed passing score, but I don't think so. 255 out of 300 (85%) is passing. Agency wide I think the average is up in the high 280's. I don't remember shooting any less than a 296. Just for giggles, I shot it left handed once and passed in the 280's.

We qualed 4 times a year. Left side barricade I would usually use my left hand. I found it easier than leaning over from the right. Always had plenty of time even with transitioning to the left.

 

[erwos]

Here's the current PPC.
1 R T 1 = 1 round, reload transition to support hand, 1 round
2 B 1 H = 2 to the Body, 1 to the Head
2B1H R 2B1H = 2 Body, 1 Head - reload- 2 Body, 1 Head

The "move" with the barricades is starting out 1 step back and to either the left or right. Move into position from there and then fire.

I want to say it's pretty easy, for many it is. There are those who barely pass and that's amazing.
The main reason why people fail/almost fail is they shoot too fast. There is a TON of time for all these rounds to be shot.

In our advanced training cycling through our facility in Atlantic city we also do a ATPC, Aircraft Tactical Pistol Course. This is from sitting down in airplane seats and it too is hard as woodpecker teeth.

How big is the target area for these standards? (Or, perhaps more concisely, which target?)

 

[Blaster229]

How big is the target area for these standards? (Or, perhaps more concisely, which target?)

These. Smaller than a B27.

 

[Bertfish]

I read back thru the first part of the thread now . Don't see anything controversial posted by Bertfish in the first 10 posts. Did something get deleted before I stopped in here ?

This thread is in as-found condition. No deleted content by me or Mods. I don't know what his problem was

 

[5cary]

These. Smaller than a B27.

So those do look a bit different than the transitional target II that we used. I can't tell if they're smaller, but ours didn't have the two top circles. Do FAMs still score the two innermost circles as "5"?

This was my last FLETC PPC qual before I retired in December. Looks to be the same target but a different version. I took a pic because it was the same score (with pretty much the same dropped points) as my first qual at FLETC ~25 years ago.

 

[Boats]

Despite the kerfuffle with the troll (anyone know what his malfunction was?)

I really appreciated this post and it has prompted me to invest in a shot timer to give it a try.

 

[Blaster229]

So those do look a bit different than the transitional target II that we used. I can't tell if they're smaller, but ours didn't have the two top circles. Do FAMs still score the two innermost circles as "5"?

This was my last FLETC PPC qual before I retired in December. Looks to be the same target but a different version. I took a pic because it was the same score (with pretty much the same dropped points) as my first qual at FLETC ~25 years ago.

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Yeah. Same target. We used the small circles for warm ups and other drills. As the agency grew, we just needed to adjust to Federal Agency standards. The Au Jus for us are airplane tactics. iirc only the center ring is 5. 5,4,3,2,1

 

[Alphabrew]

These. Smaller than a B27.

That’s an ATF firing range, it includes a dog

 

[outrider58]

That’s an ATF firing range, it includes a dog

She was the "mover".

 

[normbal]

Just curious, but why would you make such a statement?

Seriously.

Yes, they’re here, and they’re proud of what they post.

Why give ‘em any more recognition than they already have in their own minds?

 

[Gun Commander]

If anyone really wants to "practice like the pros," or at least like the FAMS, I might know a couple on here who can help facilitate that... ;-)

 

[Seagrave1963]

If anyone really wants to "practice like the pros," or at least like the FAMS, I might know a couple on here who can help facilitate that... ;-)

and they are excellent Instructors!

 

[Gun Commander]

and they are excellent Instructors!

Thank you sir!!


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