A Well Outfitted Militia...

[TheOriginalMexicanBob]

A Well Outfitted Militia

 

[Occam]

My German-speaking wife is finding this fascinating, thanks.

 

[eruby]

My German-speaking wife is finding this fascinating, thanks.

If you can make it to the Essen Room meetup, perhaps you can explain this thread to me

I've no truck with click bait thread titles, and OPs that contain nothing more than a link

https://www.mdshooters.com/threads/mds-at-the-essen-room-pikesville-12-10-9-11am.279596/page-2

 

[Occam]

If you can make it to the Essen Room meetup, perhaps you can explain this thread to me

I've no truck with click bait thread titles, and OPs that contain nothing more than a link

I agree that a few more words in the OP's post would be the polite thing to do. That said (and an Essen Room visit not withstanding!):

1) Anti-2A people, today, like to pretend they can't do a little homework and parse the 2A's plain language in context in which it was written at the time. They use this fake misunderstanding as a crutch for any number of infringement maneuvers. A classic being the "well regulated" phrase, which - despite Bloomberg's greatest wish - doesn't have anything to do with "regulating" gun ownership. It refers to orderly operation, functionality, etc. Like a "well regulated" clock of the day would be reliable, accurate, useful.

2) The author of the linked-to article points out that at the time the Constitution was ratified, it was helpful to provide it to the people of the new nation in their own languages, as there were a lot of people only recently in the country, and the Founders wanted to be sure everyone was on the same page when deciding to have their representatives support our new charter.

3) One of those languages, in heavy use in some areas, was German. We can shed more light (for the willful idiots who are pretending they can't handle late 18th century English) on the meaning of the 2A by checking out the at-the-time version of it presented in German, where the deliberate choice of words and grammar comes across like, "A well OUTFITTED militia..."

4) The idea is that here's another historical marker we can point to that clearly shows the Founders weren't thinking about how self defense should be "regulated," in today's common use of that word. It goes to the Founders' intention and state of mind, which is a vital concept when courts weigh the applicability of the Bill of Rights to the infringements hatched out by various petty tyrants in the present.

Now, about that Reuben ...

 

[RFBfromDE]

I was hoping for a link to Hot IDF Babes in tight outfits.

Left disappointed….

 

[Mark75H]

Ben Franklin actually lobbied for German to be the official language of the US to add greater separation from Britain

"Regulate" was used in the disciplined/organized/equipped context well into the 19th Century. The change in meaning is relatively recent in context.

 

[Threeband]

Ben Franklin actually lobbied for German to be the official language of the US to add greater separation from Britain

"Regulate" was used in the disciplined/organized/equipped context well into the 19th Century. The change in meaning is relatively recent in context.

What a wacky old coot!

He also wanted to equip the Continental Army with bows and arrows.

 

[TheBert]

Ben Franklin actually lobbied for German to be the official language of the US to add greater separation from Britain

"Regulate" was used in the disciplined/organized/equipped context well into the 19th Century. The change in meaning is relatively recent in context.

Wasn't King George III's grand father, King George I, imported from Germany to take the British Throne?

Didn't the King George V change the family's name from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha to Windsor to seperate the British monarchy form the Huns in WWI

 

[Threeband]

Wasn't King George III's grand father, King George I, imported from Germany to take the British Throne?

Didn't the King George V change the family's name from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha to Windsor to seperate the British monarchy form the Huns in WWI

George I didn't speak English.
George II spoke English with a strong German accent.
George III spoke English as his first language, and was said to "glory in the name of Englishman."

 

[Mark75H]

There was another generation in between: G 3 was the great grandson of G1. G2's son (G3's father) expired without ascending to be king.

 

[Vile Shadow]

A Well Outfitted Militia

That’s always been how I read it, not this modern horseshit about “well-regulated must mean tightly restricted” so the enemy can shove it

“But, but.... there were no AR-15’s in 1787...”

Yeah... werent no TVs either so the enemy can shove that too

 

[Boats]

An interesting, if somewhat useless article.

The article uses German-American translations and interpretations from the 17 and 1800s that have been re-translated into English to support the concept that the 2A is an individual right.

This is useless because: The guys who wrote the 2A said and wrote this themselves multiple times. The supreme Court has already ruled it as such. And the only people who will read this article from "Bearing Arms" website already know this.

 

[Occam]

An interesting, if somewhat useless article.

The article uses German-American translations and interpretations from the 17 and 1800s that have been re-translated into English to support the concept that the 2A is an individual right.

This is useless because: The guys who wrote the 2A said and wrote this themselves multiple times. The supreme Court has already ruled it as such. And the only people who will read this article from "Bearing Arms" website already know this.

It’s not about getting or expecting the infringing crowd to read it. It’s about having another tool in your toolbox when explaining it to people. Especially to the “we love immigrants and diversity is our strength” crowd.

It’s a chance to explain that the founders thought it vitally important that everyone in the country own and bear militia-grade weapons. So important that they even translated that right’s protection into foreign languages to help drive the point home as the Bill of Rights was being ratified.

 

[ezracer]

Maybe this will help with recruitment. Sign me up!!

 

[RFBfromDE]

Maybe this will help with recruitment. Sign me up!!


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The subject is finally living up to the title!

 

[Boats]

It’s not about getting or expecting the infringing crowd to read it. It’s about having another tool in your toolbox when explaining it to people. Especially to the “we love immigrants and diversity is our strength” crowd.

It’s a chance to explain that the founders thought it vitally important that everyone in the country own and bear militia-grade weapons. So important that they even translated that right’s protection into foreign languages to help drive the point home as the Bill of Rights was being ratified.

I understand your point. I would argue that it still won't work because. it is a logical argument that doesn't make the antis feel good.

 

[Slhaney]

The antis know darn well that it is an individual right, they just don't like it. Thats why they try to interpret it to mean something else. I learned a long time ago that if someone is trying to explain something that is spelled out in plain english, they are likely trying to persuade you that it means something different than it actually does.