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  • Chauchat

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    Jan 16, 2014
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    In the free States
    I was just listening to Langley Outdoors and he through this up on the screen from the NM AG Raul Torrez.

    Seven minute into it but the watch the whole video.

    The paradigm shift is this:

    '... Second, simply rebranding gun violence as a "public health emergency" will not satisfy the heightened judicial standard for justifying the blanket prohibition against any citizen, regardless of criminal conduct or intent, from carrying a firearm for personal protection. '

    I've been saying for years that convicted criminals once they served their time are free to exercise their right to bear arms for their self defence. Some where along the line the country was brain washed into the idea of permanent punishment. The Feds are the worst. Oh you could have been sentenced to more than a year according to the statute but you were only given nine months, well you are a felon and lose your right to self defence with a firearm.

    I recall a case in Colorado about thirty some years ago a paralyzed from the waist down felon put down a cop busting through his front door. He was charged a felon with a gun. He was acquitted in court because the cop did not announce his self and the jury held he had a right to defend hisself. A rarity granted but this is what Torrez just said.

    This is in congruence with Bruen. There is no historical instance where the founders and framers denied convicted their right to carry guns for protection or food.

    Of course this was all premised on a moral society and you took the risk of having your brains blown out if you committed a new crime against others. Which is why everyone needs to be carrying in what ever fashion they see fit on a daily basis. An armed society is a polite society.
     

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    Inigoes

    Head'n for the hills
    MDS Supporter
    Dec 21, 2008
    49,599
    SoMD / West PA
    In time, the 2A will be restored.

    We have to get through the progressive's/democrat's temper tantrums at the moment.
     

    slsc98

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    May 24, 2012
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    Escaped MD-stan to WNC Smokies
    I respectfully disagree with the notion any AG, DA or LEO in NM is going to somehow reverse their public disdain for the Order - and I doubt any pressure will come from DC;

    I sense the ENTIRE anti-2A “community” is so incensed at this b*tch jumping the shark so bad; and it is going to set the anti-2A’ers back so far, that she is going to be left out to hang ….

    I suspect this whole “emergency” scam is an idea that has been being tossed around within the anti-2A state executives and DNC and that this Gov. “went rogue” and tried to use the scam without checking with anyone in an effort to get publicity for herself and in a failed attempt to get into the Gov.s Whitmer / Hochul limelight ….
     
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    Mark75H

    MD Wear&Carry Instructor
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    Sep 25, 2011
    17,260
    Outside the Gates
    I've been saying for years that convicted criminals once they served their time are free to exercise their right to bear arms for their self defence. Some where along the line the country was brain washed into the idea of permanent punishment. The Feds are the worst. Oh you could have been sentenced to more than a year according to the statute but you were only given nine months, well you are a felon and lose your right to self defence with a firearm.

    This is in congruence with Bruen. There is no historical instance where the founders and framers denied convicted their right to carry guns for protection or food.
    Felons did loose rights from the very beginning, that is what the definition of being convicted of a felony. A felony is supposed to be so severe that it justifies removal of rights. Crimes that allow the convicted to be fully restored as citizens are misdemeanors. The legal solution to your wish is to reduce the punishment from felony to misdemeanor, NOT make all felons whole after serving their sentence. Felonies are supposed to be reserved for crimes that justify PERMANENT punishment, not just limited time in confinement.

    Langley Outdoors is apparently unware that MD out does the Feds on the time: Not only does MD go by possible max rather than actual sentence, in MD if the crime was committed elsewhere, it's the possible max MD time, not the actual sentence or max where the offence occured.
     

    adit

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    Feb 20, 2013
    19,698
    DE
    Felons did loose rights from the very beginning, that is what the definition of being convicted of a felony. A felony is supposed to be so severe that it justifies removal of rights. Crimes that allow the convicted to be fully restored as citizens are misdemeanors. The legal solution to your wish is to reduce the punishment from felony to misdemeanor, NOT make all felons whole after serving their sentence. Felonies are supposed to be reserved for crimes that justify PERMANENT punishment, not just limited time in confinement.

    Langley Outdoors is apparently unware that MD out does the Feds on the time: Not only does MD go by possible max rather than actual sentence, in MD if the crime was committed elsewhere, it's the possible max MD time, not the actual sentence or max where the offence occured.

    How about the J6er's? Do they lose their 1A for life?

    Where do you find "PERMANENT punishment" in the Constitution?
     

    243hunter

    Active Member
    Oct 26, 2012
    481
    Illinois
    Felons did loose rights from the very beginning, that is what the definition of being convicted of a felony. A felony is supposed to be so severe that it justifies removal of rights. Crimes that allow the convicted to be fully restored as citizens are misdemeanors. The legal solution to your wish is to reduce the punishment from felony to misdemeanor, NOT make all felons whole after serving their sentence. Felonies are supposed to be reserved for crimes that justify PERMANENT punishment, not just limited time in confinement.

    Langley Outdoors is apparently unware that MD out does the Feds on the time: Not only does MD go by possible max rather than actual sentence, in MD if the crime was committed elsewhere, it's the possible max MD time, not the actual sentence or max where the offence occured.

    Felonies carried basically permanent punishment during the ratification of the bill of rights because most Felonies resulted in the death penalty. So most people had their rights restored after serving their sentence because what was considered a felony was very limited. Unlike today were they are trying to make everything a felony.
     

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