Picked these up today and couldn't me more thrilled with them. I don't think these will hit the shelf...and if they do it will likely be for decoration only haha! They look to have been possibly redone in some capacity some years ago...they are absolutely immaculately clean with nearly perfect bores and retain all original cartouches and such. They're both .60cal smooth; one made at Chatellerault and the other Tulle. While not the most expensive or rare out there, these are indeed uncommon in this good of a condition. Consider me tickled pink.