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  • Ab_Normal

    Ab_member
    Feb 2, 2010
    8,613
    Carroll County
    2010 Maryland Code
    PUBLIC SAFETY
    TITLE 5 - FIREARMS
    Subtitle 1 - Regulated Firearms
    Section 5-123 - Time for licensee to complete transactions.
    § 5-123. Time for licensee to complete transactions.

    (a) Seven-day waiting period.- A licensee may not sell, rent, or transfer a regulated firearm until after 7 days following the time a firearm application is executed by the firearm applicant, in triplicate, and the original is forwarded by the prospective seller or transferor to the Secretary.


    It doesn't say they SHALL not.

    So for all you naysayers out there, as long as the dealer waits the federally required 3 days then the transfer can legally take place.
     

    L0gic

    Ultimate Member
    Mar 2, 2013
    2,953
    Find an FFL willing to test that and I'll buy something from them and donate it.
     

    jdsteele

    Active Member
    May 21, 2013
    108
    In this case, it does not mean "might not"

    It means "Is not allowed to"

    Example:

    "May I have my gun?"

    "No, you may not."
     

    NateIU10

    Ultimate Member
    Apr 6, 2009
    4,587
    Southport, CT
    May not means shall not here. "May" is generally permissive. "May not" is exactly the same as "shall not," it means that dealer cannot do something.
     

    jdsteele

    Active Member
    May 21, 2013
    108
    FFL willing to release on the third day. You did not understand my post.


    But they are not allowed to release until after 7 days.

    Example:

    FFL: "Hey Maryland State Government, may I release this gun after 3 days?"

    Maryland State Government: "No FFL, you may not! It says right in the friggen law,
    'A licensee may not sell, rent, or transfer a regulated firearm until after 7 days....' " :sad20:
     

    Kbroc2

    Active Member
    Jun 1, 2013
    452
    Harford
    May not means shall not here. "May" is generally permissive. "May not" is exactly the same as "shall not," it means that dealer cannot do something.

    2010 Maryland Code
    PUBLIC SAFETY
    TITLE 5 - FIREARMS
    Subtitle 1 - Regulated Firearms
    Section 5-123 - Time for licensee to complete transactions.
    § 5-123. Time for licensee to complete transactions.

    (a) Seven-day waiting period.- A licensee may not sell, rent, or transfer a regulated firearm until after 7 days following the time a firearm application is executed by the firearm applicant, in triplicate, and the original is forwarded by the prospective seller or transferor to the Secretary.

    Yes it is the same as shall not until the end of the sentence after seven days then it becomes may. In my eyes and many others including the msp ATF it becomes 100% legal.
     

    jdsteele

    Active Member
    May 21, 2013
    108
    Yes it is the same as shall not until the end of the sentence after seven days then it becomes may. In my eyes and many others including the msp ATF it becomes 100% legal.

    Yep, I think everyone on this thread agrees, except the OP.

    It's really very clear.
     

    Hawkeye

    The Leatherstocking
    Jan 29, 2009
    3,972
    2010 Maryland Code
    PUBLIC SAFETY
    TITLE 5 - FIREARMS
    Subtitle 1 - Regulated Firearms
    Section 5-123 - Time for licensee to complete transactions.
    § 5-123. Time for licensee to complete transactions.

    (a) Seven-day waiting period.- A licensee may not sell, rent, or transfer a regulated firearm until after 7 days following the time a firearm application is executed by the firearm applicant, in triplicate, and the original is forwarded by the prospective seller or transferor to the Secretary.


    It doesn't say they SHALL not.

    So for all you naysayers out there, as long as the dealer waits the federally required 3 days then the transfer can legally take place.

    No, that's not what it means.

    Do we *really* need a bunch more of this kind of thread? "May not," in a legal sense, means "will not, can not, shall not, DON'T." When your mom told you "no, you may not have a cookie" when you were a kid, did she mean, "well, maybe you can and maybe you can't have a cookie," or did she mean "no, you can't have a cookie?"

    This kind of thread nitpicking legal language in an incorrect manner looking for "loopholes" does no one any good and only serves to further unnecessarily and incorrectly muddy waters that need no further muddying.

    The meaning of "A licensee may not sell, rent, or transfer a regulated firearm until after 7 days following the time a firearm application is executed by the firearm applicant" is well established, and frankly trying to convince people otherwise does no one any good at all.
     

    fordluver4x4

    Member
    Jun 20, 2013
    11
    I'm not arguing the OPs point or saying I agree with his point, I do understand the different meanings of the word "may", I'm just trying to clarify the point I think he is trying to make.

    Non 8 day FFLs are arguing that the law says they MAY (not SHALL) release after 7 days, which means it is optional for them to release after 7 days. I believe the OP is trying to say that since the law he quotes uses the same word "MAY" he is arguing that means it is OPTIONAL to NOT release until after the 7th day... I believe he is trying to use this to make the point that dealers should be releasing on the 8th day, and not so much that he actually thinks they should release prior to the 7th...
     

    Pinecone

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    Feb 4, 2013
    28,175
    In regulatory language, only SHALL or SHALL NOT are that definitive. That is why you see those words in regulations so much. When was the last time you heard someone use the word shall in normal conversation.

    The problem is, the law allows the state up to 7 days to provide the dealer with a DISAPPROVED. So that part still mandates the 7 day wait. Not a "waiting period" but a paper work period.
     

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