30 Super...

[Biggfoot44]

Strange , I was just looking at an 8mm Pinfire Revolver today .

And .32 Rimfire has potential for a comeback . At least more than the .17HMR , and the barely revived 5mm rimfire .

 

[teratos]

Strange , I was just looking at an 8mm Pinfire Revolver today .

And .32 Rimfire has potential for a comeback . At least more than the .17HMR , and the barely revived 5mm rimfire .

In Maryland we could use .32 rimfire in < 29” SBRs.

 

[Mr. B]

Developed by Federal to have ~90% of ballistic capability in HST of 9mm HST.

Smaller case diameter allows for 3 more rounds in a Shield Plus.

The pressure is too high to work in an LCP 380 sized gun.

So... limited appeal to a MD resident like myself when taking into consideration the 10 round mag limit (I don't want my advanced-design magazines to be "modified" with wood and glue and I don't want to trek out of state to buy higher capacity mags when I already have 2 10's in 9mm).

YMMV

 

[smdub]

Wonder if a 9mm mag would feed it reliably. Its the same OAL as 9mm. Case diameter isn't terribly smaller in diameter. All it might take is a new barrel in a P365...

 

[Biggfoot44]

In Maryland we could use .32 rimfire in < 29” SBRs.

I was trying to be subtle about it , but absolutely !

Smokeless era .32 Long Rimfire was a 90gr bullet at same velocities as standard velocity .22lr . Taking into consideration the weight & cross sectional area , nothing to sneeze at .

With modern technology , a no brainer to bump up to equivalent to " normal high velocity " .22lr , say an extra 200 fps . Aka 300 plus ft lb.

FWIW , I was also looking at an antique .32 rimfire revolver today . A probably an unmarked Belgian knockoff of a S&W No 1 1/2 .

If you're interested in them , they're at GLR Enterprises , former IP .

 

[Biggfoot44]

Developed by Federal to have ~90% of ballistic capability in HST of 9mm HST.

Smaller case diameter allows for 3 more rounds in a Shield Plus.

The pressure is too high to work in an LCP 380 sized gun.


YMMV

It will be facing the same uphill marketing challenges as the .32 Mag and .327 Federal .

Ballistically ( such ctgs ) can be close to , or in the case of the
327 . better than the traditional ctgs they're competing , but for Joe Blow Average Buyer , there is strong perception that Bigger ( diameter ) is Better . ( And it *usually * is , but that's a bold statement and big debate of its own .)

 

[Mr. B]

It will be facing the same uphill marketing challenges as the .32 Mag and .327 Federal .

Ballistically ( such ctgs ) can be close to , or in the case of the
327 . better than the traditional ctgs they're competing , but for Joe Blow Average Buyer , there is strong perception that Bigger ( diameter ) is Better . ( And it *usually * is , but that's a bold statement and big debate of its own .)

30 SC sorta makes sense for the Shield EZ - taking it from 8+1 to 10+1 of a lighter-than-9mm recoiling cartridge that's way superior to 380 in a gun already aimed at novice or less-strong shooters.

 

[John from MD]

30 SC sorta makes sense for the Shield EZ - taking it from 8+1 to 10+1 of a lighter-than-9mm recoiling cartridge that's way superior to 380 in a gun already aimed at novice or less-strong shooters.

I would say that you may be correct. The shield ez is a niche gun to start with and it won't be used as a range toy so it may well fly. Only time will tell.

I bought a .380 EX for my wife so I won't be looking at them. However, I probably would have bought one if it came out before the .380 version did.

 

[Biggfoot44]

30 SC sorta makes sense for the Shield EZ - taking it from 8+1 to 10+1 of a lighter-than-9mm recoiling cartridge that's way superior to 380 in a gun already aimed at novice or less-strong shooters.

That's definitely their approach , and as good as any , as far as it goes . But it needs to be joined by a regular size M&P also .

History Lesson :

Before WWII , about 1/3 of production of S&W M&P Hand Ejectors ( later known as M10 ) were Not in .38Spl , but rather .32WCF aka .32-20 . Likewise similar numbers of competing Colt DA Revolvers .

Nearly same terminal effect ( at least the RNL .38Spl of the day) , somewhat less recoil , flatter trajectory , better penetration , made them popular with Outdoorsmen , farmers, ranchers , and hunters not needing the power of a .44 .

Being offered in full size gun for utility / field / hunting of small and medium game and varmints , would help establish the sucuess of the * Cartridge * . ( Yes , the .30SC is essentially a HV .32-20 , adapted to Semiauto use .)

 

[Mr. B]

That's definitely their approach , and as good as any , as far as it goes . But it needs to be joined by a regular size M&P also .

History Lesson :

Before WWII , about 1/3 of production of S&W M&P Hand Ejectors ( later known as M10 ) were Not in .38Spl , but rather .32WCF aka .32-20 . Likewise similar numbers of competing Colt DA Revolvers .

Nearly same terminal effect ( at least the RNL .38Spl of the day) , somewhat less recoil , flatter trajectory , better penetration , made them popular with Outdoorsmen , farmers, ranchers , and hunters not needing the power of a .44 .

Being offered in full size gun for utility / field / hunting of small and medium game and varmints , would help establish the sucuess of the * Cartridge * . ( Yes , the .30SC is essentially a HV .32-20 , adapted to Semiauto use .)

Very interesting - thanks.

 

[Mark75H]

Yes , the .30SC is essentially a HV .32-20 , adapted to Semiauto use .

That's it in a nutshell.

 

[Magnumite]

I think the real message is some found it necessary to stuff three more rounds into the Shield magazine mentioned. If ten or 13 rounds won’t do it there are more serious issues…

 

[Mark75H]

Multiple threats. It's why you carry a spare mag (or 2).

 

[Magnumite]

Extra mags goes without saying. Still the need to get another 3 rounds in each of those mags…45 rounds over 36.