2AMaryland just said the NRA is suing over SB1

[owldo]

On one hand, I can understand conserving resources for the fights you can win.

On the other hand, NRA gives a lot of crap away to promote the brand and keep the Free Sh!t Army Reserve happy.

On the third hand, the organisation has long ago moved its primary mission from teaching and 2A defense to promoting NRA and sucking bucks. Perhaps they realised that winnig th 2A fight would hit them in the wallet?

Like everyone says, Deep 6 WLP and I'll contribute again.

Deep 6 WLP and I'll contribute again.

Yep ! What he said .... Plus if I ever become a contributing member again I will need to be able to vote on all board members and director ... I'll hold my breath now !

 

[Bob A]

Yep ! What he said .... Plus if I ever become a contributing member again I will need to be able to vote on all board members and director ... I'll hold my breath now !

Yup.

Voting for the Board has been rendered an exercise in futility; they increased the BoD to something like 78 members. Good luck getting anything changed.

 

[teratos]

Back when Shannon was the rep, all the orgs worked together. Now.....

 

[Afrikeber]

I just got an email from MSI saying they are filing against Maryland.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.536814/gov.uscourts.mdd.536814.1.0.pdf

 

[pcfixer]

The case is captioned Kipke v. Moore. It was filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of Maryland. NRA’s state affiliate, the Maryland State Rifle and Pistol Association, is also a plaintiff to the case.

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interestly...

George Levi Russell III (D. Maryland)​

appointment by Obama

 

[rambling_one]

Back when Shannon was the rep, all the orgs worked together. Now.....

^^^^^

 

[Bertfish]

The case is captioned Kipke v. Moore. It was filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of Maryland. NRA’s state affiliate, the Maryland State Rifle and Pistol Association, is also a plaintiff to the case.

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interestly...

George Levi Russell III (D. Maryland)​

appointment by Obama

I've got an unpopular take

Why do organizations ask for plaintiffs if they're just going to use wives of politicians and their own board members?

 

[scottyfz6]

I've got an unpopular take

Why do organizations ask for plaintiffs if they're just going to use wives of politicians and their own board members?

I wondered the same thing.

At least in the NRA thing probably a gift to advertise the business.

 

[MJD438]

I've got an unpopular take

Why do organizations ask for plaintiffs if they're just going to use wives of politicians and their own board members?

The attorneys presenting the argument make the final decision on named plaintiffs based on their own calculus and discussions with the potential plaintiff pool.

 

[Boondock Saint]

I've got an unpopular take

Why do organizations ask for plaintiffs if they're just going to use wives of politicians and their own board members?

Some people run their mouths too much online to be viable plaintiffs. I'm not sure if this applies to you specifically, but I know of two people who were disqualified as potential plaintiffs because their social media didn't check out to the standards set by those bringing the suit (read: the firm, but by extension the gun rights group itself).

The attorneys presenting the argument make the final decision on named plaintiffs based on their own calculus and discussions with the potential plaintiff pool.

This is the winner right here. To be honest, I was actually a little surprised to learn that the plaintiffs were who they were, but that was mostly my own naïveté as opposed to any real surprise. Of course, all things being equal, it would be those people.

Regardless, it is wholly unimportant that a "lesser" plaintiff wasn't brought with this particular round of suits. The important part is getting the summary judgment (ha), if not that then the injunction, and then regardless of that, the case law that stands in our favor. The rest is minutiae.

 

[Biggfoot44]

I've got an unpopular take

Why do organizations ask for plaintiffs if they're just going to use wives of politicians and their own board members?

One of the MSI Plaintiffs is just a regular member, but has a particular exact set of circumstances .

 

[daggo66]

I've got an unpopular take

Why do organizations ask for plaintiffs if they're just going to use wives of politicians and their own board members?

She also happens to be a former NRA employee.

 

[esqappellate]

I've got an unpopular take

Why do organizations ask for plaintiffs if they're just going to use wives of politicians and their own board members?

Plaintiff selection is hard and not everyone (damn few) want to expose themselves as a named plaintiff in MD. You will note that the complaint includes home addresses. And not everyone would be a good plaintiff for other reasons. I hated to have to say no to some these folks. MSI will also be relying on its members to give it representational standing. So just because a member of MSI is not a named plaintiff does not mean they are not an important part of the suit.

 

[Blacksmith101]

Plaintiff selection is hard and not everyone (damn few) want to expose themselves as a named plaintiff in MD. You will note that the complaint includes home addresses. And not everyone would be a good plaintiff for other reasons. I hated to have to say no to some these folks. MSI will also be relying on its members to give it representational standing. So just because a member of MSI is not a named plaintiff does not mean they are not an important part of the suit.

If you are not a member JOIN! If you are a member recruit your friends, neighbors, and shooting associates because numbers are important. MDS has over 30,000 members MSI has 3,000 members but the work they do for Maryland gun owners is much more important. MSI membership only costs $25 here is a link:

Join All Membership - Maryland Shall Issue®, Inc.

Maryland Shall Issue® (MSI) is an all-volunteer, non-partisan organization dedicated to the preservation and advancement of gun owners' rights in Maryland. It seeks to educate the community about the right of self-protection, the safe handling of firearms, and the responsibility that goes with...

www.marylandshallissue.org

 

[coinboy]

If you are not a member JOIN! If you are a member recruit your friends, neighbors, and shooting associates because numbers are important. MDS has over 30,000 members MSI has 3,000 members but the work they do for Maryland gun owners is much more important. MSI membership only costs $25 here is a link:

Join All Membership - Maryland Shall Issue®, Inc.

Maryland Shall Issue® (MSI) is an all-volunteer, non-partisan organization dedicated to the preservation and advancement of gun owners' rights in Maryland. It seeks to educate the community about the right of self-protection, the safe handling of firearms, and the responsibility that goes with...

www.marylandshallissue.org

I became an executive member of MSI the day the governor signed the law as my official protest against SB1.

 

[Reds147]

Jumping in front of MSI to take the credit when the court strikes it down. Wish we heard more from NRA during the session.

The NRA only fight battles it know it can win..they Never did a damm thing in the past to help us with our Rights here in Md

 

[JoeyBimmer]

Plaintiff selection is hard and not everyone (damn few) want to expose themselves as a named plaintiff in MD. You will note that the complaint includes home addresses. And not everyone would be a good plaintiff for other reasons. I hated to have to say no to some these folks. MSI will also be relying on its members to give it representational standing. So just because a member of MSI is not a named plaintiff does not mean they are not an important part of the suit.

Thanks for your effort.

 

[eruby]

Back when Shannon was the rep, all the orgs worked together. Now.....

S E Hinton weeps many bitter rears

 

[dblas]

I'd feel better if the NRA, MSI, SAF, and GOA fought together.

Does anyone know if the lead attorney in this case, John Parker Sweeney, has ever won a 2nd amendment civil rights case?

Sweeney has been lead counsel in several MD 2A lawsuits, Most of them started in 2013 after FSA2013. All got shot down in the 4th Circuit, none made it to SCOTUS.
I like him, I trust him, back then I wish he would have made a few changes to the arguments, but back then NRA was paying the bill and MSI, MSRPA, and AGC were riding their coat tails on those lawsuits.
Mark has worked with him, and they colaberate quite often.

 

[dblas]

I'm probably almost as pissed at the NRA as all of us. However, it is my understanding that they have helped (and continue to help) with a lot behind the scenes that most folks don't hear about.

I suspect there are a lot of lawsuits just firing up with some heavy collaboration going on.

Obviously I'm team MSI all the way, but there's nothing wrong with having allies.

NRA-ILA does, yes.

NRA the membership and training organization...Not so much.