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Old April 5th, 2012, 08:50 AM #1
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CCW training requirement just might be here soon.

Just seen on Del. Smigiels facebook page


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Looks like we may get a bit of movement on the Shall Issue question. While letting the question run its course in the courts the State wants to have a training requirement in place for when and if the Woollard decision is finally upheld. Remembering what happened when the State allowed the State Police to interpret what a "good and substantial" reason is, I want to be sure that the State Police don't end up with the final say on what constitutes proper firearms training. I think adding a State Police "or successfully completing an NRA approved handgun or pistol firearms safety course" in order to obtain a firearms concealed carry card is the best way to go. We may see movement in the next few days, tacked onto another bill.
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Training was never necessary before. I don't see why it would be necessary now.

I absolutely believe everyone should seek training but vehemently oppose state mandated training.

Also, why do NRA courses seem to always make it into these laws? I took Handgun 1 with Tom at CCJA because it the syllabus showed it to be much more indepth than NRA basic handgun. If the state does this they should accept any form of handgun training, not just the NRA courses.
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This is getting a little silly.

What CCW? I respect Del. Smigiel for all the work he does for our side, but.....

How about actually GETTING to a real "Shall Issue", before everyone starts discussing adding more requirements.
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This is not unexpected. Maryland is one of the few states (maybe the only? I can't recall) that issues permits (albeit very, very few) with zero training requirement. They had G&S and the background check instead so they didn't need a training requirement. Keep in mind, Maryland's carry permit laws were written with the idea that very, very few people would be carrying and the state assumed that the select few would handle training on their own. It wasn't written with the idea of the general population carrying so it'll need to be re-evaluated post-Wollard.

Honestly, I'd rather prefer that there was some sort of training requirement implemented so long as it was in-line with what is common practice in other Shall Issue states. It's that last part that worries me; I envision O'Malley/Gansler/MSP & Co. coming up with a training requirement that is G&S in a different suit. It won't fly in the long run, but it'll be another battle to fight.
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I absolutely believe everyone should seek training but vehemently oppose state mandated training.
agreed completely.

however, if there must be state mandated training there should be a no cost training/approval option for those of us who don't have unlimited discretionary income. Something like the CMP requires for the purchase of a garand - get a police officer to sign off that you have demonstrated your skills and safe handling of firearms, for instance.
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F them where they stand. No training law was needed then, not needed now. PA doesn't have training requirements, and people don't go around shooting themselves in the face.
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The way I look at this is that they see "SHALL ISSUE" in the near future. That is a good thing.

I took the NRA basic pistol class right after sending in my CCW app. I took a copy of it to my interview so I hope I am one step ahead on that part.
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My post to Mike's page:

A vast number of MD permits are issued to merchants who for the most part do NOT have any special training. The DD-214 should be included. There are states that require training and accept the hunter safety certificate as proof thereof. I hold six permits, one of which required live firing (Utah). That too should suffice. Finally, Maryland has issued by some estimates around 40,000 permits sans a training requirement. What the h*ll has changed that MSP now wants a training program.
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agreed completely.

however, if there must be state mandated training there should be a no cost training/approval option for those of us who don't have unlimited discretionary income. Something like the CMP requires for the purchase of a garand - get a police officer to sign off that you have demonstrated your skills and safe handling of firearms, for instance.
I don't think they are going to make the training class hard. They would be stupid to do anything besides the NRA pistol class. Makes the people get training and the state doesn't have to do anything. They don't want to have to administer a class IMHO. If they do they have to add to the budget which isn't something they want to do.


   
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