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Old July 31st, 2011, 07:07 AM #11
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Looks like Corbon DPX is a winner in the .44 Special:

http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/C...2044%20Special


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...Corbon's .44 Special DPX looks like a winner to me. It was accurate, reliable, consistent shot-to-shot over the chronograph, and expanded consistently and uniformly. According to Mike Shovel of Corbon, the 200-gr. DPX penetrates approximately 14 1/2" of 10% gelatin...
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Old July 31st, 2011, 07:28 AM #12
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You need to read some Elmer Keith or John Taffin to realize the wonderful and forgotten potential of the 44
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This is what got me thinking about a .44 Special. Taurus has re-introduced the .44 Special revolver. Just 22 ounces.

BTW, there is also a new .40 S&W revolver on this page, too:

http://www.taurususa.com/2011newcata...atalog_page=11
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Gasp! But how can you ignore factually truthful true facts from the internet???

I don't care what statistics get spat out, the laws of physics will prevail over the claims of a website. As already noted, this is more of a bullet issue than anything good or bad about the cartridges. As an added bonus, .44 special tends to be shoot out of long-barreled revolvers and lever guns rather than 5 inches or less barrels, giving most .44 special guns a boost.
.......OR, just the opposite, in 2" barrell revolvers. Inch for inch (barrel length), .44 special delivers just as good performance as the .45acp in same design projectiles. The .44 special is definately a hugely overlooked cartridge.

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If I were using the 44 Special for defensive purposes I would load it with Winchester SilverTips.
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Good food for thought. I think nobody has done an updated look at the round.

You can find nice loads in .44 Special. Even Speer Gold Dot HP.
I use both of the above loads.
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Ok, I know some people take these ratings with a grain of salt, but I am curious why the .44 Special is so much lower in "stopping power" than the .45 ACP?
You've already answered your original question with your original post (with a grain of salt). Better follow the salt truck. As indicated pretty much throughout this thread, the .44sp is just as good a performer as the .45acp.
If your question has anything to do the "one shot stops" percentages, it is almost certain that most of the .44sp were from 4" barrels or less (2") though from what I remember it doesn't indicate barrel lengths in that report. Most guns being used in that caliber for self defense against another human will be handguns (revolvers), by far most of which will don a 2" to 4" barrel.

Now let's do the .45acp. The chart DOES show to some degree the barrel length in the breakdown by indicating the amount of times out of the semitotal that a barrel length of 4" or less was used as it was a VERY SMALL percentage of the totals; which almost certainly indicates (by ommission) that vast majority of .45acp in this study was shot from 4.25" barrels and greater, probably most of which being 5".

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If by far the .44 special was being shot out of 4" to 5" barrels instead of 2" to 4" barrels, the .44special would be just as good a performer as the 45acp with all other remaining factors being equal.
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First off, the charts that those "stopping power" links came from has been debunked thoroughly, the book that contained them has also been rightly ridiculed as junk science at best, being pretty much every factor except for anecdotal evidence of "one shot stops" listed by caliber and ammo brand are thrown out. Clothing, barricades, shot placement, barel length etc.. are not considered. Kinda like saying 22 has a 100% "one shot stopping rating" and 9mm only 10%. What isn't mentioned is that the 22 data was from 3 mafia executions where someone was shot in the back of the head at contact distance, and the 9mm data was from 10 incidents where police fired on suspects with MP5 SMGs, 9 were hit multiple times, and stopped effectively, however not by a single round, 1 was hit only in the hand, before stopping and surrendering, and counting as a "1 shot stop".

external ballistics between 44spl and 45ACP are very close, with a decent bullet, and good shot placement, I would say they are realistically about equal, perhaps with a slight edge to 44spl on paper, slightly higher sectional density, and slightly higher velocities, but in reality there are dozens or hundreds of factors that will come into play before any minor difference in terminal ballistics.
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This is what got me thinking about a .44 Special. Taurus has re-introduced the .44 Special revolver. Just 22 ounces.

BTW, there is also a new .40 S&W revolver on this page, too:

http://www.taurususa.com/2011newcata...atalog_page=11
I dont see the logic in this, one of the reasons I am playing around with .44 special is I hope to go on a camping trip outwest, if I do I will buy either a Taurus or S&W ultra light ain .44 mag a couple months before. So I need some good field loads saving the magnums for emergencies (as they tear your hand off in an ultralight). That said, I still hope to stumble across a Taurus Tracker in .45LC which would be my preferred choice. Plus .44 special is fun out of the lever guns (quicker target recovery).
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It's a combination of factors. Many revolvers are loaded with wad cutters or semi-wad cutters. That's all my older cop buddies ever used in wheel guns. They don't stop people near as good as modern JHP's. Plus the spot that gets shot has to have something vital behind it. Heart, lungs, liver, brain, wallet, etc. Either 44 spl shooters are crap shots that can't hit a vital spot (and I doubt that!!) or they are such good shots they successfully only shoot to incapacitate.

Then again it could be that .45acp "will rip your arm clean off if you get hit in the pinky". and any hit no matter where is an instant stopper!

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One more quick question for anyone who has carried a .44 Special revolver??

Is the cylinder a behemoth and uncomfortable, or a liability for CCW?
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