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Old July 29th, 2010, 09:19 PM #111
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I'm just thinking that SAF / Alan Gura are moving really, really fast now. Reciprocity will fundamentally change, one way or the other. It has to. Maybe that means we only need a MD & one other permit to get all 50 states, or maybe that means CHL are just like DL, but I think the days of stacking up a handful of permits... those days are numbered.
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Posted by David Hardy · 29 July 2010 02:49 PM
Story here. Again, a careful choice of plaintiff, facts, and law. Plaintiff had a permit to carry after his house was broken into; then renewal was denied for lack of demonstrated cause, even though the perp is now out of prison and living a few miles away.
And to think -- it was only a few years ago that Brady and others were suing gun manufacturers right and left, as part of a campaign to bankrupt the industry, a campaign that had a good chance of succeeding. Today, they're on the defensive (to the extent they act at all) and the progun side is on the offense. Since almost all of it has occurred over the last month or so, it's more than an offense, it's a legal blitzkrieg.
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Maybe one day a CCW permit will be treated like a DL. All you'll need is one from your home state.
Because Bearing Arms is a fundamental constitutional right and driving is a privilege, that day will come..
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Where does it say in Michigan law that it must be unrestricted?

States with restricted permits are generally states with purchase permits a la new york.
I spoke to the Michigan State Police when I was traveling with my work permits (MD Specifically). They said they will not honor restricted permits.

Perhaps local cops wouldnt care but I wont test it.
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I thought that with a permit from your home state you would be allowed to carry in South Carolina.
You may be correct there. I thought that S.C. had to review the state to see if the permit meets their criteria first before reciprocity is given.

I may be wrong here.
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Gun rights advocates challenge Maryland's restrictions on handgun carry permits

By Maria Glod
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, July 30, 2010


The gun rights advocates who successfully challenged the District's gun laws have moved their campaign to Maryland, filing a federal lawsuit claiming that the state's weapons restrictions violate the Second Amendment.

The seven-page suit filed in U.S. District Court in Baltimore on Thursday challenges Maryland's restrictions on handgun carry permits. Under state law, applicants must show, among other things, that they are not addicted to drugs or alcohol, don't have a history of violence and have a "good and substantial reason" to carry a gun.

Plaintiff Raymond Woollard, a Navy veteran who once fought with an intruder in his Baltimore County home, was denied a permit because the state found that he could not show he had been subject to "threats occurring beyond his residence," according to the suit.

"He was only denied for lack of a so-called good and substantial reason," said Cary J. Hansel, one of the plaintiffs' lawyers. He said Woollard met all the other hurdles.

"Imagine a world in which you had to go to the government and show a good and substantial reason to exercise your constitutional rights?" Hansel said. "We are not arguing there shouldn't be background checks, fingerprints, mental examinations or training requirements."

The lawsuit comes in the aftermath of recent court victories for gun rights advocates. In June, the Supreme Court ruled that the Second Amendment provides Americans a fundamental right to bear arms that cannot be violated by state and local governments. The decision extended the court's landmark 2008 ruling that struck down the District's decades-old ban on handgun possession.

Raquel Guillory, a spokeswoman for Maryland Attorney General Douglas F. Gansler declined to comment on the case, saying state officials have not yet reviewed the arguments.

But Guillory said the attorney general's office reexamined state gun laws in the context of the recent Supreme Court rulings. "We have reviewed Maryland gun laws and concluded none of them are so stringent as to violate the Second Amendment," she said.

The lawsuit, also filed on behalf of the Bellevue, Wash.-based Second Amendment Foundation, names the Maryland State Police superintendent, Col. Terrence B. Sheridan, and three members of the state handgun permit review board as defendants.

Hansel said a permit generally is needed to carry a handgun outside the home in Maryland. There are some exceptions, he said, including transporting a gun home after it is purchased or traveling to a shooting range.

According to the suit, Woollard, who lives on a Baltimore County farm, was with his family on Christmas Eve 2002 when a man shattered a window and broke into his home. Woollard trained his shotgun on the man, but the two fought and the intruder pulled the gun away. Woollard's son eventually got another gun, ending the fight.

The intruder was convicted of burglary in that case and ultimately was sent to prison after violating probation, according to the lawsuit. The man, who was released from prison in 2005, lives about three miles from Woollard.

Woollard's handgun permit was renewed in 2005, according to the lawsuit. He sought to renew it again in 2009 but was denied. The board found Woollard had not "submitted any documentation to verify threats occurring beyond his residence, where he can already legally carry a handgun," the suit states.

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