dreadpirate
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Breaking News! ATF Says You Can Shoulder Your Arm Brace
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CodeWarrior1241
Active Member
SB Tactical got the letter from the ATF on this: https://www.sb-tactical.com/resources/batfe-approval-letter-pistol-stabilizing-brace/
knastera
Just another shooter
I can't wait to see the actual letter. I'm building an AR pistol, so if this is correct, I'll use that option.
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MikeTF
Ultimate Member
This is good news. I might have to build an AR Pistol.
hogarth
Ultimate Member
- Jun 13, 2009
- 2,504
The actual letter is posted on the Recoil Facebook page
ARMatt
Active Member
As soon as I turn 21 in June , I will be buying a kriss vector, MPX , and possibly an mp5 clone
Brace and all
Brace and all
CodeWarrior1241
Active Member
Time to get the Scorpion Evo pistol...
HordesOfKailas
Still learning
MikeTF
Ultimate Member
It's a 2A issue not an IP issue so its not a dupe.
DaemonAssassin
Why should we Free BSD?
Boating accident reference!
Dupe clarification letter incoming...
Elgan
NRA Endowment Member
If only MD wouldn't put ignorant OAL requirements on SBRs, I'd be happy to pay the $200 tax to have a legitimate PDW (putting my feelings about the NFA aside and working within the laws as they're written currently). As it stands, though, this seems like it might be the ticket for certain builds with certain braces. Like Rack&Roll, though, I fully expect a further clarification letter to be published once Youtube starts getting flooded with videos of people advocating use as a cheap SBR workaround (which it did originally). Firearms puns notwithstanding, I don't know why ATF would want to shoot themselves in the foot regarding tax stamp revenue, either.
FWIW, I'm all about flexibility regarding firearm and build choice, and would love nothing more for both fed and MD laws to be rewritten in support of opening up the market to those of us who want to get AKs, non-HBAR AR-15s, PDW stocks, sub-29" SBRs, etc.
FWIW, I'm all about flexibility regarding firearm and build choice, and would love nothing more for both fed and MD laws to be rewritten in support of opening up the market to those of us who want to get AKs, non-HBAR AR-15s, PDW stocks, sub-29" SBRs, etc.
Suppressor's next?
Is the BATF seeing the "F" may not be needed and possibly in jeopardy?
Is the BATF seeing the "F" may not be needed and possibly in jeopardy?
danb
dont be a dumbass
Well, first of all this could completely be changed with a different dictator, so we need to codify this with actual legislation.
Second, TTAG is reporting this only applies to this particular manufacturer's brace, not generally (not sure if true). When is an arm brace not an arm brace??
Second, TTAG is reporting this only applies to this particular manufacturer's brace, not generally (not sure if true). When is an arm brace not an arm brace??
- Dec 20, 2013
- 12,340
As I'm not a lawyer, I may be missing something, but I'm not sure this new letter changes anything. Note this passage from ATF's 21 March 2017 letter:
"Similarly, an item that functions as a stock if attached to a handgun in a manner that serves the objective purpose of allowing the firearm to be fired from the shoulder may result in "making" a short-barreled rifle, even if the attachment is not permanent....The fact that the item may allow, or even be intended by its manufacturer for other lawful purposes, does not affect the NFA analysis." —Marvin G. Richardson, Assistant Director, ATF
As I read it, ATF continues to play word games, leaving the door open for [subjective] interpretation. Until/unless ATF publishes a letter stating clearly and unequivocally that the shouldering of an approved "arm-brace" is legal, does not [in any way] constitute [or infer] the "making" or "redesign" of a firearm nor cause the firearm to fall under the guidelines of the NFA, I'm not sure I'd be popping the cork on any bubbly..
"Similarly, an item that functions as a stock if attached to a handgun in a manner that serves the objective purpose of allowing the firearm to be fired from the shoulder may result in "making" a short-barreled rifle, even if the attachment is not permanent....The fact that the item may allow, or even be intended by its manufacturer for other lawful purposes, does not affect the NFA analysis." —Marvin G. Richardson, Assistant Director, ATF
As I read it, ATF continues to play word games, leaving the door open for [subjective] interpretation. Until/unless ATF publishes a letter stating clearly and unequivocally that the shouldering of an approved "arm-brace" is legal, does not [in any way] constitute [or infer] the "making" or "redesign" of a firearm nor cause the firearm to fall under the guidelines of the NFA, I'm not sure I'd be popping the cork on any bubbly..
I'm not keeping up on the details of this, but am certainly interested. Specific to your concern, isn't the part of the letter you're pointing out specific to "..an item that functions as a stock if attached to a handgun...", which is NOT what a brace is??
In short;
Attach a functioning stock to handgun, BAD.
Attach a brace to a handgun, OK.
Attach a brace to a handgun and shoulder it, under SOME/MANY conditions, (now) OK .
iH8DemLibz
When All Else Fails.
Soooo, does this now semi-legal shouldering device attach to a standard mil-spec carbine buffer tube?
My stripped DPMS upper wants to know.
My stripped DPMS upper wants to know.
- Jul 29, 2014
- 50,106
It comes with one. It would fit over most, but the design will only work on their buffer tube due to a threaded portion on the tube.
Standard buffers and springs as well as BCG(including 9mm) all fit the PDW brace.
iH8DemLibz
When All Else Fails.
^^^Thanks.^^^
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