In light of the DOJ Report on Baltimore:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/just...ngs-investigation-baltimore-police-department
Specifically:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/file/883366/download
I'm attaching them to this post; so they can't be memory holed.
So why did I create this thread?
Well, because of how big this report is, and how it ties into the gun control debate -- It might have gotten lost in the 100+ post thread I created.
This is the DOJ report, hard page 24, PDF page 25:
Um, actually, that's all legal; and has been according to MD law for the last 40 years -- the same law that gave us "good and substantial".
The Washington Post supported Stop and Frisk too; from an editorial on 2 February 1972:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/just...ngs-investigation-baltimore-police-department
Specifically:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/file/883366/download
I'm attaching them to this post; so they can't be memory holed.
So why did I create this thread?
Well, because of how big this report is, and how it ties into the gun control debate -- It might have gotten lost in the 100+ post thread I created.
This is the DOJ report, hard page 24, PDF page 25:
We find that BPD engages in a pattern or practice of making stops, searches, and arrests in violation of the Fourth and Fourteenth Amendments and Section 14141. BPD frequently makes investigative stops without reasonable suspicion of people who are lawfully present on Baltimore streets. During stops, officers commonly conduct weapons frisks—or more invasive searches— despite lacking reasonable suspicion that the subject of the search is armed. These practices escalate street encounters and contribute to officers making arrests without probable cause,36 often for discretionary misdemeanor offenses like disorderly conduct, resisting arrest, loitering, trespassing, and failure to obey. Indeed, BPD’s own supervisors at Central Booking and prosecutors in the State’s Attorney’s Office declined to charge more than 11,000 arrests made by BPD officers since 2010.
Um, actually, that's all legal; and has been according to MD law for the last 40 years -- the same law that gave us "good and substantial".
The Washington Post supported Stop and Frisk too; from an editorial on 2 February 1972:
WASHINGTON POST
WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 2, 1972
PAGE A14
The Pistol Packers (Editorial)
Governor Marvin Mandel's modest proposal to spare the lives of a few policemen by cracking down on gun-toters in public places has run into a withering crossfire, as he no doubt anticipated, from "sportsmen" on one side and from libertarians on the other. It may be that both of them somewhat misapprehend the purpose of the stop and frisk authorization the governor has proposed. The "sportsmen" see it as a form of gun control—which it certainly is not. And the libertarians see it as a license for unlimited harassment of black citizens —which the governor certainly does not intend it to be.
The Mandel proposal would fix stiff penalties for carrying a handgun on one's person or in an automobile without a permit. An exception is made for sportsmen engaged in an authorized sporting enterprise. And the bill would authorize policemen to stop persons and pat them down briefly and superficially on the basis of a "reasonable belief" that those persons are illegally carrying a concealed pistol. Prohibitions on packing concealed pistols are hardly novel and hardly a threat to bona fide sportsmen. For what sport would a "sportsman" want to carry a handgun around with him on the streets of a city? The purpose of this legislation is to enable policemen to protect themselves from thugs who last year used handguns to kill 72 officers engaged in the performance of their duty.
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Anyone who wants to know what a real gun control bill is like need only look at the provisions of a measure introduced in the Maryland Assembly last week by Del. Woodrow M. Allen. It would flatly ban private ownership of pistols; anyone wishing to use a pistol for target shooting or other forms of "sport" would have to join a licensed gun club whore it would be kept under prescribed conditions and fired only under careful supervision; persons owning handguns would be required to turn them in to state or local police by next January 1 for fair compensation.
Now, that is what we call a gun control bill. It would save the lives not only of policemen but also of daughters coming home from late dates and being mistaken for intruders, of wives and husbands displeased with one another with a firearm lying handy in a bedside drawer, of neighbors eager to settle political differences of the sort that arise now and then over a glass or two of some distillate. In fact, it is so sensible, practical and realistic that it has no possibility of passage by the assembly at the present time. Several thousand more Marylanders will have to lose their lives by pistol bullets before the insensate opposition of the gun lobbyists can be overcome.
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The small first step toward sanity proposed by Governor Mandel appears to have had its chances of enactment improved by a prudent concession which has won it the endorsement of State Senator Clarence M. Mitchell III. It is wise and right, we think, that the basis for frisking a suspected gun toter should be sharpened so as to prevent arbitrary police action. The U.S. Supreme Court has said that the Fourth Amendment will not be violated if police officers search suspects for lethal weapons in situations where they may lack probable cause for an arrest. But of course this cannot be taken to mean that the police may search on mere unsubstantiated suspicion. Civil libertarians have been wholly justified in insisting that the police have real grounds for frisking; and we believe this insistence can be effectively fortified by requiring the police to report every stop and frisk incident so that the record will show just how frequently their action has been warranted.
Such sharpening of the legislation will, we hope, diminish the fears of the libertarians. The phantasies of the "sportsmen" may be dispelled by speeding up the system for issuing permits and by assuring them that they can carry their handguns to and from lawful sporting enterprises.