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Old March 13th, 2014, 06:01 PM #31
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As soon as you become aware law enforcement wants a list you have, it becomes destruction of evidence to destroy it.

If you never kept the list to begin with, or destroyed it before the cops asked for it, then it would be fine... But that ship has sailed.
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Old March 13th, 2014, 06:08 PM #32
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What's to keep them from destroying the lists?
There's a thought as far as 4473's but other things could be a factor in the long haul;IRS/State comptroller.
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Old March 13th, 2014, 08:10 PM #33
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If you purchased your 80's over the internet then you pretty much expected your privacy to be infringed upon. This is why I would limit what I buy online. There's multiple lists somewhere with a lot of our names on it.

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Old March 13th, 2014, 08:55 PM #35
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That ^ is NOT how the parts are made.





^ this is how the parts are made. The core is a mesh of colored polymer with out kevlar re-enforcement that is put into the mold. THEN the kevlar is put in the mold then the polymer is injected and thermally cured.

I read the deposition for the restraining order and have seen the pocket hollowing out.

The ATF knows how the parts are made, but they want to get the list of malcontents.
You are correct....

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Old March 13th, 2014, 09:07 PM #36
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I think the ATF is pissed off because the polymer lowers are not one solid color. The fire control group on the lowers in question is color coded to show you where to cut. They also have divots to show you where to drill the hammer and trigger pins. The reason ATF approved 80% lowers are not an issue is because they require a certain skill level and equipment to complete.


Exactly.

ATF is saying these are not 80%'s because they are indexed and the definition of an 80% is no indexing; basically saying these are 81% completed lowers.

They will have a hard time staying out of club fed. ATF will probably demand all the lowers be returned to be destroyed, as they did with the safety sear PSL's.
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This is major badness for all involved. If the indexing issue is indeed correct, did they not issue a letter of compliance to Ares or did Ares not seek it? And if Ares did not have a letter of compliance why did they sell? I can see this being one big mess.
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Exactly.

ATF is saying these are not 80%'s because they are indexed and the definition of an 80% is no indexing; basically saying these are 81% completed lowers.

They will have a hard time staying out of club fed. ATF will probably demand all the lowers be returned to be destroyed, as they did with the safety sear PSL's.
What is "indexed"? The hole locations are actually raised nubs and the core for the fire control group is totally removed plus more of the lower body is then also removed after the core is gone.

I had to use a fixture to get mine done... so much for index.
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I knew ATF was gonna get these records.

Excuse me while I laugh...

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Yeah sure. What are you buying those 15 BCGs and 200 PMAGS with?!

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LOL.... That's a little different. They were for resale or for firearms the government already knows about.



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