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Old September 24th, 2013, 08:06 PM #81
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Anyone know why the MSP website is currently down? They hiding from Jesus or something?
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Old September 24th, 2013, 08:06 PM #82
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I think you may be confusing the 2. They are unrelated IMHO.

It was oringinaly thought that we would not need the HQL if purcahsed before 10-1. When 'they' said otherwise everyone was in an uproar. So esentially this is how everyone not in MOM's pocket interpreted the legislation.

We just did a full circle.

I am not confusing the two.

In regards to rifles, it is clearly written in the law that they may be received if an application or purchase order was issued before Oct 1.

In regards to handguns, it is clearly written in the law that a HQL or exception explicitly written in the law, is required to receive a handgun after Oct 1. There is nothing written in the law allowing receipt of a handgun without the HQL or specified exception if there is an application pre Oct 1.

And taking in to account the AAG memo that says an application prior to Oct 1 is not sufficient, and that a HQL is required, it is not clear that the MD SP can say otherwise:
" it is my view that after October 1, 2013 a person may not take delivery of, and a dealer may not deliver, a handgun to a person who does not have a handgun qualification license, even if the purchase was arranged before October 1, 2013."
http://www.scribd.com/doc/158788674/AG-opinion
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Old September 24th, 2013, 08:08 PM #83
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Old September 24th, 2013, 08:13 PM #84
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" It was widely understood that the new requirements would not be enforced as to applications that were pending before October 1" - MSP

How blatent of a lie is this?!?!?!
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Old September 24th, 2013, 08:17 PM #85
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I've already done a 4 hour classroom course and 4 hours of range time so I could get my HQL. I bought my gun in June....or was it July...?...cant remember now but oh well I'm going to get it anyway because I don't trust it. I purchased from gander so it will be next year before I get it anyway.....I hope!!!
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Old September 24th, 2013, 08:22 PM #86
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The law says otherwise. Unlike assault long guns, the law does not provide a similar provision for handguns.

The State Police have advised people to break the law as written. They then mislead people by saying this was a widely known exception,even though there is an AAG memo saying it can't be done.

Do as you want, but the State Police do not have the legal authority to change the written law.
Dumais and Pinsky seem to think they do. Just sayin'.......
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I've already done a 4 hour classroom course and 4 hours of range time so I could get my HQL. I bought my gun in June....or was it July...?...cant remember now but oh well I'm going to get it anyway because I don't trust it. I purchased from gander so it will be next year before I get it anyway.....I hope!!!
There is a state approved training course already active?
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Old September 24th, 2013, 08:24 PM #88
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I am not confusing the two.

In regards to rifles, it is clearly written in the law that they may be received if an application or purchase order was issued before Oct 1.

In regards to handguns, it is clearly written in the law that a HQL or exception explicitly written in the law, is required to receive a handgun after Oct 1. There is nothing written in the law allowing receipt of a handgun without the HQL or specified exception if there is an application pre Oct 1.

And taking in to account the AAG memo that says an application prior to Oct 1 is not sufficient, and that a HQL is required, it is not clear that the MD SP can say otherwise:
" it is my view that after October 1, 2013 a person may not take delivery of, and a dealer may not deliver, a handgun to a person who does not have a handgun qualification license, even if the purchase was arranged before October 1, 2013."
http://www.scribd.com/doc/158788674/AG-opinion


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I guess we shall see in the up coming days if his view has changed on the matter.
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Legal or not, if MSP intends to not enforce the law, it really doesn't matter. what the law says.

They are in panic mode after yesterday's admissions.
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Legal or not, if MSP intends to not enforce the law, it really doesn't matter. what the law says.

They are in panic mode after yesterday's admissions.
i havent check today.. but watching the recorded hearing yesterday.. i didnt see the beginning of it.. it may have been chopped off for a reason?
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