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Old September 27th, 2018, 02:26 PM #741
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Submit my letter today since Im only two blocks from the ATF Building. Let's see how long it takes
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Old September 27th, 2018, 07:05 PM #742
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Old September 27th, 2018, 07:05 PM #743
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Being an oldMan, how important is it to file the letter with BATF?

Is MDSP waiting at the exit of all firearm ranges or knocking on our doors? !!!

Just think the letter is a big deal about nothing.

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Being an oldMan, how important is it to file the letter with BATF?
Very, VERY important, because of the way that the law is written. It literally says "any device which increases the rate of fire" of a rifle. As the judge properly noted during the hearing, that could mean literally anything - gun oil or grease, ANY action or trigger work, etc.

All it takes is some cop or prosecutor on a fishing expedition or out to make a name.

You are ONLY allowed to possess such devices if you've applied to ATF for ownership before 10/1/18.


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Realistically? No, probably not. However, this idiotic law is just one more step down the slippery slope to "no guns for you!" It was sold as the old common sense no one NEEDS that and it'll be safer type BS. The only way we are going to knock this law down is through this lawsuit, and 10,000 Marylanders sending these letters to ATF is a lot louder a signal than 10 Marylanders doing it.

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Just think the letter is a big deal about nothing.
The danger of that statement is that if, every time our rights get chipped away a little bit we all just said "well, that's much ado about nothing," then soon we'd be left without any rights at all.
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Old September 27th, 2018, 08:34 PM #745
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You are ONLY allowed to possess such devices if you've applied to ATF for ownership before 10/1/18.
The bad part is my FFL has a letter from MSP stating you can only possess these after 10/1/18 by applying to the ATF before then,BUT after 10/1/19 they are banned in the state completely, regardless of whether or not you sent the letter this year. What gives?
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Old September 27th, 2018, 08:46 PM #746
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Being an oldMan, how important is it to file the letter with BATF?

Is MDSP waiting at the exit of all firearm ranges or knocking on our doors? !!!

Just think the letter is a big deal about nothing.

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No, but lets say you get caught up in a Red Flag issue in the next year. Wanna bet they won't look at your firearms and if they find anything that makes any one of your firearms fire ever so slightly faster, you can kiss your 2A rights goodbye.

This is lining up to be a perfect storm with the other laws on the book. Remember, in Maryland you are guilty until proven innocent.

Send the letter, even if you just send it 1st class with a 50 cent stamp.
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The bad part is my FFL has a letter from MSP stating you can only possess these after 10/1/18 by applying to the ATF before then,BUT after 10/1/19 they are banned in the state completely, regardless of whether or not you sent the letter this year. What gives?
That is true. That's why the lawsuit by MSI is so important.
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Realistically? No, probably not. However, this idiotic law is just one more step down the slippery slope to "no guns for you!" It was sold as the old common sense no one NEEDS that and it'll be safer type BS. The only way we are going to knock this law down is through this lawsuit, and 10,000 Marylanders sending these letters to ATF is a lot louder a signal than 10 Marylanders doing it.



The danger of that statement is that if, every time our rights get chipped away a little bit we all just said "well, that's much ado about nothing," then soon we'd be left without any rights at all.
Finally, some one else gets that there is strength in numbers.
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The bad part is my FFL has a letter from MSP stating you can only possess these after 10/1/18 by applying to the ATF before then,BUT after 10/1/19 they are banned in the state completely, regardless of whether or not you sent the letter this year. What gives?
You must have had ATF approval before 10/2019 to continue possessing after that date per the law.

Since ATF isn't giving approval (not will it likely change that stance), devices will become illegal after 10/2019.

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You must have had ATF approval before 10/2019 to continue possessing after that date per the law.
No. The law says you have to APPLY for ATF authorization. Which is why sending the letter before 10/1 (as nicely explained by the federal judge, and helpfully assisted by MSI) is your 1-year remedy for this situation until October 2019. By which time, no doubt, we'll see either a proper injunction, or hopefully an outright defeat of the silly law.
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