Hopkins Safe Storage Study- I call BS

YerNotGood · Feb 23, 2018

I don't lock up many of my guns, they are stashed in places that I frequent in the house. No point in having a nice collection of guns if they are all locked in a safe when you might need them. Sure, the range toys and collectables should be in the safe, but in my house (without kids) I want my guns in reach. That being said, I update my homeowners policy frequently to make sure I am covered for the replacement value of my guns.

The study states that "We found that less than half of the U.S. gun owners store all their guns safely." That could very well be accurate. I know tons of gun owners who store most of their guns in a safe but have a handgun sitting on their nightstand. By their definition, those people would fall into the statistic. Its also worth noting that the head researcher, Crifasi, is a gun owner herself and supports 2A. Just food for thought, carry on...

Todd S · Feb 23, 2018

So having them in my locked house isn't secure? :mad54:

Doctor_M · Feb 23, 2018

rbird7282 said:
None of their g*d damn business how I store my guns.

This X1000.

Nanny, go home.

chooks9 · Feb 23, 2018

Bloomberg School of Public Health? Of course this is fake news. Virtually everybody I know who owns firearms has them stored in a safe or lockable cabinet, except for a few instances of people I know who own very old wall-hanger percussion pieces that are probably unsafe (edit: or unable) to fire.

Melnic · Feb 23, 2018

sooooo, they published a report. Ok, where is the report?
Unless the questions are shown, what is the point on reporting it? Ahhhhh media bias.

The article looks like JH is defining what "safely" is. Its highly possible they are defining safe as locked away, unloaded and ammo seperated. Not ideal for self defense.
They could be defining anything where a firearm is stored loaded is "unsafe". That could include in a safe but loaded as they define as unsafe.
You could have a gunvault with a loaded pistol and they declare that unsafe.

YerNotGood · Feb 23, 2018

For those interested. Here is the actual study: http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/pdf/10.2105/AJPH.2017.304262

Melnic · Feb 23, 2018

YerNotGood said:
For those interested. Here is the actual study: http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/pdf/10.2105/AJPH.2017.304262

Great, they want $22 to view

Maybe someone with bias has already reviewed and given better comments

TreadNot · Feb 23, 2018

Went to the link, but it's the abstract of the study, not the entire thing.

YerNotGood · Feb 23, 2018

Oh now that's funny. I must have access to the journal through my corporate internet connection. The link opens right up to full doc for me. Here is the most important part, imho, that was left out of related articles I could find.

We categorized respondents as using safe
storage practices if all guns were stored in
a locked gun safe, cabinet, or case; locked into
a gun rack; or stored with a trigger lock or
other lock. This definition is based on research
evidence showing that these practices
reduce the likelihood of unauthorized access
or use.

Melnic · Feb 23, 2018

Here is a DIFFERENT study where it shows the data.
The data however is poorly presented. as it says percentage but then shows a decimal amount. In other words, it should have said percentage and then shown 2 instead of .02 to represent 2%

https://mikethegunguy.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/miller-firearms-storage-practices.pdf

Inigoes · Feb 23, 2018

Depends what they mean by safe storage?

they are only counting:

Maryland law also requires locking devices meet state standards or be approved by a state agency for effectiveness.

Which does not count cabled firearms in gun racks, and other means of securing firearms.

j_h_smith · Feb 23, 2018

Did anyone notice this information is supposedly from 1991-2000 and published in 2005?

I'm just saying.....

YerNotGood · Feb 23, 2018

Inigoes said:
Depends what they mean by safe storage?

they are only counting:

Which does not count cabled firearms in gun racks, and other means of securing firearms.

Did you see my previous post? I quoted what the study outlined as "Safe Storage"

j_h_smith said:
Did anyone notice this information is supposedly from 1991-2000 and published in 2005?

I'm just saying.....

Where are you getting those numbers from? The survey was conducted March 15-April 13, 2016 and published in the journal yesterday.

EDIT: Were you talking about the mikethegunguy link?

Melnic · Feb 23, 2018

j_h_smith said:
Did anyone notice this information is supposedly from 1991-2000 and published in 2005?

I'm just saying.....

I think your looking at the link I posted which is a DIFFERENT study.
I have edited my post to more boldly mention I'm linking to a different study where the data is viewable.

Sorry about the confusion

j_h_smith · Feb 23, 2018

Melnic said:
https://mikethegunguy.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/miller-firearms-storage-practices.pdf

YerNotGood said:
Where are you getting those numbers from? The survey was conducted March 15-April 13, 2016 and published in the journal yesterday.

EDIT: Were you talking about the mikethegunguy link?

Look at the very top of the study in the link above. It clearly states it was submitted in 2005 and approved in 2005.

If you look at the top of the data chart, it clearly states this data is from 1991 to 2000.

Unless what you're looking at is different than what's in that link.

Melnic · Feb 23, 2018

JH, you must have missed my post #34 before making your post #35. I linked a different study.
I liked that study because the study had the data and the questions in it which would be a better study.

Ammo Jon · Feb 23, 2018

Except the ones that only I have access to that are loaded and ready to go the rest are locked up in one location, magazines locked up in another location and ammo locked up in another location. I do have two young kids but the main reason is to make sure nobody visiting the house, doing work on the house, etc. gets nosey.

And yes a paid study by Bloomberg I'm not believing there is ANY validity to it.

armed_economist · Feb 23, 2018

It's not easy to survive in academic social sciences, gotta find a way to keep the research funding flowing in..

j_h_smith · Feb 23, 2018

Melnic said:
JH, you must have missed my post #34 before making your post #35. I linked a different study.
I liked that study because the study had the data and the questions in it which would be a better study.

Okay. I thought it was just a different link to the same study. Sorry.

THier · Feb 23, 2018

Ok, I say folks who are "serious" about firearms do have safes ect, but I don't doubt that there is a LARGE percentage that don't keep firearms secure.I have 2 safes, and 5 lock boxes, including one in each vehicle let I own, except the bike

Hopkins Safe Storage Study- I call BS

The #1 community for Gun Owners of the Northeast

Member Benefits:

Active Member

Ultimate Member

Certified Mad Scientist

Bear with Arms

Ultimate Member

Active Member

Ultimate Member

Active Member

Active Member

Ultimate Member

Head'n for the hills

Ultimate Member

Active Member

Ultimate Member

Ultimate Member

Ultimate Member

Ultimate Member

Active Member

Ultimate Member

R.I.P.

Users who are viewing this thread

Log in

Forum statistics