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Old January 1st, 2019, 02:20 PM #1
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Burris Signature HD 20-60x85

Iíve been wanting for a long time to upgrade my spotting scope and had been watching EBAY for a good deal on a new or used Vortex Razor 20-60. I had seen a lot of guys using them at the PNTC matches and I was sure this would be the model I chose.

Then while at AGC a few months ago I saw a guy using a Burris Signature HD. He was cool enough to let me check it out. For the most part it seemed to be about the same size and quality as the Vortex, but he had a ranging reticle and an adaptor for a red dot mounted on the side. I started looking into them and found a company called Optics Agent online listing them at $1248. I did some research and that price seemed to be about $150 cheaper than anything else I could find and on par with the phased put Gen 1 Razor. I hadnít heard about the company so I setup a temporary credit trough my bank and took a chance.

My order was processed before thanksgiving. I got notified that it was in processing right away then waited and waited for weeks. I tried calling and emailing but couldnít get a person on the line. Just about when I was ready to call the bank and reverse the charge I finally got an email that it shipped on 12/18. It arrived right before Christmas.

Other than take it out of the box for inspection and attach the fast fire, I didnít have any real chance to check it out during daylight until today.

So let me say that I am not an experienced optical expert. Iíve scored matches with someone elseís Vortex Razor, Bushnell Elite, Leupold Mark 4 , and $2500 Swarovski Binocular. And Iíve used my own Konos 20-60 which cost $329.

So on Sunday I put it out on the deck to do some wild life observation. It was a pretty crappy day and I couldnít see much but I was pretty happy with the results. The clarity at 60x is good and I couldnít detect any chromatic aberration. I was able to read 1/8Ē text at 144ft and resolve <1Ē features at 400yds.

I decided to 3D print an adaptor for my phone so that I could capture some pictures. From what I can tell when I zoom the image on the camera the image on the screen appears to match closely the normal perception and viewing angle from my eye.

Here is a shot of a transmission tower 452 Yds away 60x on the scope and no zoom on the camera.


60x Scope and Full Zoom on camera


Here is a shot of a broadcast tower (WPOC I think) about 4006yds (~2.25mi) away. No zoom on camera and 20x on scope.


Full zoom on camera and 60x on scope
. There is a steady 5-8mph breeze with gusts 15-20 so there was quite a bit of vibration happening at the scope and probably the tower in the distance as well. I will need to test this again on a calm day, as I think the image would have better resolution.

(Note for scale standard access ladders should have the rungs at exactly 12Ē) So Iím pretty sure using this at a 1200yd steel plate match should be more than suffices to see impacts as well as observe dust clouds from misses.
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Old January 3rd, 2019, 05:19 AM #2
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The ranging reticles are nice for spotting.

At least on the Vortex Razor Gen 1, the ranging reticle eyepiece is fixed power. So you loose that dial it up to 60.
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The ranging reticles are nice for spotting.

At least on the Vortex Razor Gen 1, the ranging reticle eyepiece is fixed power. So you loose that dial it up to 60.

The Burris reticle is also 30x fixed as well. Should arrive tomorrow so I may get a chance to test it out at the range this weekend.
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I have been working on creating some digiscope adapters for my Spotting Scope. For the photos in my original post I used some cheap Amazon adapter for my iphone but those often donít stay in the correct postion. On higher magnification getting the camera to line up exactly with the focal point is critical. It works ok when Iím on my deck and I have all the time in the world but at the range or at a match itís just too sensitive.

This problem has been hanging out there for 2 years but I hadnít forgotten about it. I finally had some time test out a few designs for a few GoProís we have and my iPhone 12. Iíve already shared a few of these in the 3D printing thread, but I didnít really describe how well they worked.

This first design is for my GoPro Hero 4. I replaced the lens on this camera with a longer focal length, which actually helps when using as a digiscope. However the GoPro has limited zoom capabilities which means that the view is still quite wide. The design of the adapter is pretty simple in that itís just a friction fit onto the eyepiece and to the Hero4 with the waterproof case.



Here it is attached to the 20-60x eyepiece.


The Hero4 does not have an LCD view screen but you can connect the camera to your phone using the GoPro app. This allows you to preview what the camera sees and control the camera.

Here is a screen shot of app on my phone. The image is zoomed 2x on the camera and 60x on the Spotting Scope. The roofline in the photo is 660 yds away.



So itís not bad. Whats nice is you could setup the camera on the scope and then use your phone to spot your shots from your shooting position.


I have a Hero8 model too which shoots 4k at 120 frames per sec. There was no way to make a friction fit adapter so this design fits around in two halves and clamps the camera in place.







The nice thing about the Hero 8 is that it has itís own view screen. However the stock lens on the hero8 is pretty wide angle. Zoom and distortion correction is achieved digitally. It will still work but the short focal length of the standard lens really undoes the inherent magnification of the Optic.

This is a shot from the camera and downloaded to my phone. The boundary marker is about 55yds away and the word ďNOĒ is about 1Ē tall. This would be totally unusable for anything beyond 100yds.



Next I made an adapter for my iPhone12 to fit the fixed 30 eyepiece with MIL reticle.






The tricky thing with the iPhone is that it has 3 lenses/cameras. I did some experiments while designing the adapter to see which lens was zoom. I thought it was the top one, but somehow the software of the iPhone sees the actual eyepiece and changes to the bottom camera. After playing around with them a bit I was able to get it aligned.

Note there is a red arrow pointing to a clump of branches 105yds away and a blue arrow pointing to a tree canopy 602 yds away.


Here is a screen shot of the 105yd


Here is a screen shot of the tree canopy 602yds away. Itís pretty cloudy out and almost dusk so Iíll try and post some more another time.


For kicks I tried to see how the view through the 30x eyepiece would look with the Hero8. I donít have an adapter so I just held the camera against the iPhone adapter and took a photo. It was pretty dark at the time of this shot. The camera is set to standard focal length.



Here is the screen shot of the same view using 2x camera zoom.



I didnít range this shot but Iím guessing the tree is about 130yds away. I donít think itís really worth designing another adaptor.


I really want to try out the Hero 4 and the iPhone at the range and see how they work.
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That is pretty cool.

Now, when you are going to make these for people without 3D printers? I need one to fit a Razor HD.
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That is pretty cool.

Now, when you are going to make these for people without 3D printers? I need one to fit a Razor HD.

If you pay for the filament and give me the size of the eyepiece I could probably change my design pretty quickly and make you one. Which model.
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If you pay for the filament and give me the size of the eyepiece I could probably change my design pretty quickly and make you one. Which model.
Probably one for iPhone and one for a GoPro that will send the image to my phone.

About how much for the filament?
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The SVbony digital eyepieces are decent for the money.
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The SVbony digital eyepieces are decent for the money.

Those look pretty cool. I may want to check them out
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Burris Signature HD 20-60x85

I went ahead and printed an adapter for my 20-60x eyepiece too to use with the iPhone 12. This one has 2 axis adjustments for the camera to position any of the three lenses directly over the focal point.



Also I downloaded an app called Theodolite which uses the iPhone camera and allows the user to overlay information such as compass heading and elevation angles directly onto the camera view.

Here is screen shot with the eyepiece magnification at 60x and the phone at 2x so effectively 120x magnification. The roofline is 503 yds away.



Same roof with the eyepiece at 60x and the camera at 8x. So effectively 420x magnification.



I donít know exactly how all the siding is but I suspect about 7Ē between panels. So the resolution is pretty good in moderate light conditions. This was taken this evening around 7:30pm.

Also a cool feature of the app is a compass heading satellite or topo map overlay.



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