C&R to C&R

arbud · Feb 8, 2020

Hey guys. might have to ship a C&R pistol to a C&R holder in another state.
First of all can I just go to the post office and mail it or UPS and just mail it.
If not does it have to be mailed by an ffl holder. Lastly does anyone know an ffl around the Northern Baltimore, Harford or Carroll county who will do this for less than 40.00. Thanks

Melnic · Feb 8, 2020

Can't do post office, that is only for dealers. UPS works but you have to 2nd day air it I believe. More info on their website.
FFL dealer can ship USPS

Doctor_M · Feb 8, 2020

Yes, I think it has to be UPS 2 day.

Doctor_M · Feb 8, 2020

That being said.... I've lost count of how many C&R handguns I've had delivered to me in USPS flat rate boxes. It happens, but it isn't supposed to.

arbud · Feb 8, 2020

Me too Doctor. Is 2 day air stupidly expensive

Squaregrouper · Feb 8, 2020

arbud said:
Me too Doctor. Is 2 day air stupidly expensive

I have found having a FFL ship it and pay the FFL fee is less expensive than paying 2 day air yourself.

ohen cepel · Feb 8, 2020

Last handgun I shipped was $100 as I went to Fedex and their policy must overnight it as their fine employees tend to steal firearms. So, we get to pay more for it............

arbud · Feb 8, 2020

Well then does anyone no an ffl dealer that will do it semi economically.

budman93 · Feb 8, 2020

Your best bet is to pay a dealer to mail a handgun. I have gone through this before. You cant do usps and fedex and ups will only do next day air for handguns. The ups charge for that for a small box is over 90 dollars

python · Feb 8, 2020

Shipping from an FFL to an FFL is by far the safest and cheapest way to go. First, the shipping FFL takes possession of the gun and essentially "owns" it (as does the receiving FFL), making them responsible for it. Secondly there is a paper trail to follow should anything befall the gun during shipping. Shipping regulations for non-licensed individuals make it a very costly proposition, whereas a dealer doesn't have the same constraints.

gmharle · Feb 8, 2020

arbud said:
Hey guys. might have to ship a C&R pistol to a C&R holder in another state.
First of all can I just go to the post office and mail it or UPS and just mail it.
If not does it have to be mailed by an ffl holder. Lastly does anyone know an ffl around the Northern Baltimore, Harford or Carroll county who will do this for less than 40.00. Thanks

As long as you are both FFL03s it looks like the USPS is ok for you to ship. Look at section 12.1.2a here. https://about.usps.com/postal-bulletin/2011/pb22321/html/updt_001.htm

whistlersmother · Feb 8, 2020

gmharle said:
As long as you are both FFL03s it looks like the USPS is ok for you to ship. Look at section 12.1.2a here. https://about.usps.com/postal-bulletin/2011/pb22321/html/updt_001.htm

only when those firearms also meet the definition of an antique firearm under 12.1.1g.

C$R may not (as we're usually interested in) be an antique. See 12.1.1h. The reference above in the quoted text (g) I believe should refer to definition (h) in that (h) deals with antiques.

In other words, I personally would not rely on your interpretation.

gmharle · Feb 8, 2020

whistlersmother said:
C$R may not (as we're usually interested in) be an antique. See 12.1.1h. The reference above in the quoted text (g) I believe should refer to definition (h) in that (h) deals with antiques.

In other words, I personally would not rely on your interpretation.

You are probably right. It seems vague. Even though it does say in 12.1.1f that FFLs defined in Chapter 44, Title 18, United States Code are ok and C&R is recognized there as a licensee. IANAL so interpret for yourself.

f. Federal Firearms Licensee (FFL) manufacturer, dealer, or importer of firearms means a manufacturer, dealer, or importer duly licensed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) under Chapter 44, Title 18, United States Code (U.S.C.).

whistlersmother · Feb 8, 2020

gmharle said:
You are probably right. It seems vague. Even though it does say in 12.1.1f that FFLs defined in Chapter 44, Title 18, United States Code are ok and C&R is recognized there as a licensee. IANAL so interpret for yourself.

Yes, I've heard both sides of the argument. Just don't want to see anyone get hung up on what should be a minor issue.

gmharle · Feb 8, 2020

whistlersmother said:
Yes, I've heard both sides of the argument. Just don't want to see anyone get hung up on what should be a minor issue.

Melnic · Feb 16, 2020

airbud, where did you end up taking it ship and what was the cost?

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