A visit from the Maryland State Police

MJD438 · Sep 11, 2013

Kman said:
You would think that an organization with all the tools at it's disposal could look up your friggin phone number, rather than blindside you with troopers at your front door.
Never discount the show of force for coercion and intimidation.

They want to blindside people. They want the person "off-kilter" when they talk to them; it makes people more likely to spew crap and incriminate themselves for other issues.

pbharvey · Sep 11, 2013

MJD438 said:
They want to blindside people. They want the person "off-kilter" when they talk to them; it makes people more likely to spew crap and incriminate themselves for other issues.

Looks like it worked in both cases. Both OPs said something to the effect that they just went along with it and then later had second thoughts. If the police show up at 6:00 I'm thinking something very bad has happened to a loved one or my property. I'd be relieved to find out their visit was to clear up an administrative matter...until they left and it all sunk in.

freddie · Sep 11, 2013

I may seem a bit strange to many but I never answer my door unless I know who is their ahead of time and I confirm same through video/audio.

Just because someone knocks and says police and are dressed like police doesn't mean it is.

If the police want access to me in person then they must do so by formal legal means. Not just showing up at my door. Not calling me on the phone - all phones calls go to voice mail.

Issue a search or arrest warrant or stay the heck away.

fightinbluhen51 · Sep 11, 2013

pbharvey said:
Looks like it worked in both cases. Both OPs said something to the effect that they just went along with it and then later had second thoughts. If the police show up at 6:00 I'm thinking something very bad has happened to a loved one or my property. I'd be relieved to find out their visit was to clear up an administrative matter...until they left and it all sunk in.

Again...6:00AM is only a bit later than the standard 4:00AM-5:30AM door kicking that no-knock squads are known for. There is a distinct reason that the three stories "spun" here, have very similar, and disturbing, "facts."

:tinfoil:

Ab_Normal · Sep 11, 2013

BollingerGunsmithing said:
Just spoke with MSP this morning. HBAR clones of the Colt HBAR are NOT regulated. Shy of an interesting situation such as this above....MSP does not even have immediate knowledge of your ownership of a non regulated firearm.

This would not be the first time the left and right 'hands' at MSP did not know what the other was doing. Probably won't be the last either. :sad20:

Seagrave1963 · Sep 11, 2013

fightinbluhen51 said:
Again...6:00AM is only a bit later than the standard 4:00AM-5:30AM door kicking that no-knock squads are known for. There is a distinct reason that the three stories "spun" here, have very similar, and disturbing, "facts."

Wouldn't be surprised if there was an entry team staged around the block

Ab_Normal · Sep 11, 2013

Seagrave1963 said:
Wouldn't be surprised if there was an entry team staged around the block

I doubt it but I would think they would need a warrant too.

-Z/28- · Sep 11, 2013

pwoolford said:
Since it was purchased C&C what if you sold it to someone face to face and no longer had it?

They'd probably demand to come in and see your safe. Or just come back with a warrant and ransack your house looking for it.

Seagrave1963 · Sep 11, 2013

Seagrave1963 said:
Wouldn't be surprised if there was an entry team staged around the block

Ab_Normal said:
I doubt it but I would think they would need a warrant too.

We'd hope that would be the case.

Bob.Bee · Sep 11, 2013

eruby said:
Did your "friend" get the Ar-10 from SSG Tactical, as in the other two reported incidents?

I thought ATF was only concerned about Federal law. Now ATF is reporting sales that may not be kosher to the MSP? Sounds fishy to me.

He got it from SSG at the Chantilly Show last year...

ken792 · Sep 11, 2013

BollingerGunsmithing said:
Just spoke with MSP this morning. HBAR clones of the Colt HBAR are NOT regulated. Shy of an interesting situation such as this above....MSP does not even have immediate knowledge of your ownership of a non regulated firearm.

What number should we call to hear that straight from the MSP?

fleaman64 · Sep 11, 2013

F - Maryland! This is why we are voting with our feet and taking our tax revenue to freer states.

RoadDawg · Sep 11, 2013

ken792 said:
What number should we call to hear that straight from the MSP?

I would be interested in whether or not the OP can get his HBAR UNregistered now? Since it was a FORCED unnecessary registration... :mad54:

iH8DemLibz · Sep 11, 2013

CLP said:
So are you guys saying a MD compliant mp15 is subject to bringing this unwanted attention just because the lower is not marked HBAR? I dont understand, they can now turn a rifle into something it isn't?

An ar15 lower is an ar15 lower is an ar15 lower.

It does not matter what sits on top of it. The lower is the firearm. The lower is an ar15.

They're doing this because you can take off the HBAR and put on an LBAR in about 10 seconds. 15 seconds if you're swapping out the BCG.

How many thousands of Maryland people own PA and VA "Cash and Carry" ar15's???

Boom Boom · Sep 11, 2013

iH8DemLibz said:
They're doing this because you can take off the HBAR and put on an LBAR in about 10 seconds. 15 seconds if you're swapping out the BCG.

Doing so is already a state felony, not much different than putting an SBR upper atop a lower is a federal felony if not registered per NFA (ignoring constructive possession for the sake of argument).

dfens42 · Sep 11, 2013

Incorrect. The Colt Sporter the law refers to is stamped HBAR.

Boom Boom · Sep 11, 2013

dfens42 said:
Incorrect. The Colt Sporter the law refers to is stamped HBAR.

Which of the 115 posts before yours are you referring to?

dfens42 · Sep 11, 2013

ih8demlibz...I thought I hit quote.

Ab_Normal · Sep 11, 2013

Boom Boom said:
Doing so is already a state felony, not much different than putting an SBR upper atop a lower is a federal felony if not registered per NFA (ignoring constructive possession for the sake of argument).

I'm calling BS. Please post a link to the state law that says that.

iH8DemLibz · Sep 11, 2013

Boom Boom said:
Doing so is already a state felony, not much different than putting an SBR upper atop a lower is a federal felony if not registered per NFA (ignoring constructive possession for the sake of argument).

Are you saying that putting an m4 style, lightweight contour, 16 inch barrel on a non-registered/cash n carry ar15 lower is a State felony pre 10-1?

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