Heroin deaths now outnumber firearms homicides

foxtrapper · Dec 9, 2016

A lot of the addicts are young people though, which means they were just stupid and tried it to be cool and took it enough times to get hooked. I don't feel sorry one bit for them. The people who got hooked on oxy for pain tend to be older, not your stupid HS and college age idiot junkies. As far as the youngsters go, didn't they know heroin is not exactly smoking pot and drinking beer? These are suburban and rural kids, many who have it really good. Yes, the usual low income family kids, black and white and everything else, who live at the poverty level and in shitty neighborhoods, are also using the stuff, but that had been going on for some time, like 40+ years. The newer wave are these suburban and rural kids of middle to upper income families. They go to good schools and so on. They should know better since they are better educated. But I guess if they have been coddled and given participation trophies...

foxtrapper · Dec 9, 2016

tallen702 said:
A good portion of it is, among other factors. Back home, the cops and EMTs carry Narcan and use it pretty much non-stop. There was a point when Huntington, WV (Where Marshall University is located) had 26 overdose cases in less than 4 hours due to "bad batches."

And the fentanyl cutting is really weird. They keep doing it. Why would the dealers continue doing something that is killing off so many customers so quickly? It's bad business sense, and yes, dealers often run this like a business, and yes the higher level ones used to have that business sense. I guess they got as stupid as the suburban/rural kids they are killing off.

Inigoes · Dec 9, 2016

foxtrapper said:
A lot of the addicts are young people though, which means they were just stupid and tried it to be cool and took it enough times to get hooked.

The crap that is floating around, you do not need to get hooked.

You only need to try it once.

eruby · Dec 9, 2016

Inigoes said:
The crap that is floating around, you do not need to get hooked.

You only need to ~~try it~~ be stupid once.

Inigoes · Dec 9, 2016

foxtrapper said:
And the fentanyl cutting is really weird. They keep doing it. Why would the dealers continue doing something that is killing off so many customers so quickly? It's bad business sense, and yes, dealers often run this like a business, and yes the higher level ones used to have that business sense. I guess they got as stupid as the suburban/rural kids they are killing off.

It's to keep customers, believe it or not.

The highest people get is off their first. Then the addicts will chase that elusive ceiling by using much stronger mixes of drugs.

Dealers do not care about the users anymore, they have become expendable, and have a short shelf life. The business is about bringing in new clientele.

smokey · Dec 9, 2016

Devonian said:
Isnt the spike in overdoses linked to cutting the heroin with fentanyl?

That combined with some "peaceful protests" that happened in the past couple years that liberated imprisoned opiates from the bonds and cages of pharmacies.

tallen702 · Dec 9, 2016

Inigoes said:
It's to keep customers, believe it or not.

The highest people get is off their first. Then the addicts will chase that elusive ceiling by using much stronger mixes of drugs.

Dealers do not care about the users anymore, they have become expendable, and have a short shelf life. The business is about bringing in new clientele.

Yep. That's the Catch-22 for heroin users. They're always chasing that first high that they'll never have again using straight heroin. So they either shoot up more (which at some point = death) or mix it with other drugs (which usually = death). The police report out of Huntington when they had the 26 overdoses in 4 hours stated that their CIs had warned them that some particularly powerful stuff was getting ready to hit the streets. Dealers don't care. They know all it takes is getting someone to take one hit and they've got a new customer for life.

WeaponsCollector · Dec 9, 2016

Thanks to ineffective drug prohibition laws there's no safety and purity regulations for illegal drugs and that's one reason why so many people are overdosing.
During alcohol prohibition many people people went blind and even died from drinking poisonous bootleg alcohol for the same reason.

eruby · Dec 9, 2016

rbird7282 · Dec 9, 2016

Here's an idea, don't try it and you won't get hooked.

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Library Guy · Dec 9, 2016

I’m not sure what this will add to the discussion but that has never stopped me before.

The best day in my life was when was I given some post-op fentanyl. I have never felt so content, so alive, or sure of my purpose on earth. If Jesus had came down and shaken my hand and said, “You’re a great guy,” I could not have felt any better than I did then. Best time ever. All I had to do was have a touch of cancer.

Does that sound messed up to you? Good, because it is.

outrider58 · Dec 9, 2016

eruby said:
Hugs, not drugs.

Sympathy to those who lost family members, but 'trying heroin' is not like 'trying beer' IMO.

So true. I got addicted to beer but not the H.

ryan_j · Dec 10, 2016

CMOS said:
I can only imagine the internal fight at WaPo over whether or not to publish that fact.

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Well there's always Breitbart. I love Breitbart. I met Andrew when he was alive. The world lost a giant when he passed on.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/12/09/cdc-heroin-deaths-surpass-gun-related-deaths/

Sirex · Dec 16, 2016

Ban heroin. Or have moms demand action or common sense. Solved.

EODJoe · Dec 16, 2016

My little brother was only 21 years old when he OD'd on a mix of heroin and fentanyl almost ten years ago. My mother found him unresponsive in his bed and performed CPR on him until the EMTs arrived and took over. They worked on him for a long time but could never revive him. During the memorial service at my mother's house, my brother's best friend admitted to me that he was the one who had introduced my brother to this particular vice. We knew that my brother had occasionally smoked weed but that day was apparently only the second time that he had tried heroin and his heart stopped. If it were not for the fact that my mother, my wife, and my six week old son were in the house I may have committed homicide. He was told in very clear terminology what would happen if I ever saw him again. I searched my brother's room and found his kit with prescription fentanyl patches that had the person's name who they had been prescribed to. I turned all this over to the detectives investigating the case and was told that they were familiar with that individual selling their prescriptions in the past but that no charges against them would be likely. I have no stomach for drug dealers and feel that the death penalty should be given for anyone convicted of trafficking narcotics. The worst part of this whole narrative is that my mother spiraled into a depression that she never recovered from and passed away five and a half years after my brother. So heroin cost me my brother and my mother. The war on drugs should be fought with the same intensity as any other war.

outrider58 · Dec 16, 2016

That is a really sad story EODJoe. Hopefully you never run into that POS. It would only cost your family more. Prayers for you and yours.

j_h_smith · Dec 16, 2016

foxtrapper said:
A lot of the addicts are young people though, which means they were just stupid and tried it to be cool and took it enough times to get hooked. I don't feel sorry one bit for them. The people who got hooked on oxy for pain tend to be older, not your stupid HS and college age idiot junkies. As far as the youngsters go, didn't they know heroin is not exactly smoking pot and drinking beer? These are suburban and rural kids, many who have it really good. Yes, the usual low income family kids, black and white and everything else, who live at the poverty level and in shitty neighborhoods, are also using the stuff, but that had been going on for some time, like 40+ years. The newer wave are these suburban and rural kids of middle to upper income families. They go to good schools and so on. They should know better since they are better educated. But I guess if they have been coddled and given participation trophies...

I think kids today are into trying things at least once. The problem is that H is not a kind mistress. Regardless of who you are and where you live, kids are pretty ignorant (in the clinical sense). Most also have a BIG Superman complex, where they feel that they can do anything and not get hurt. They just don't realize how bad Heroin is and how quickly it will take over you soul.

welder516 · Dec 16, 2016

EODJoe said:
My little brother was only 21 years old when he OD'd on a mix of heroin and fentanyl almost ten years ago. My mother found him unresponsive in his bed and performed CPR on him until the EMTs arrived and took over. They worked on him for a long time but could never revive him. During the memorial service at my mother's house, my brother's best friend admitted to me that he was the one who had introduced my brother to this particular vice. We knew that my brother had occasionally smoked weed but that day was apparently only the second time that he had tried heroin and his heart stopped. If it were not for the fact that my mother, my wife, and my six week old son were in the house I may have committed homicide. He was told in very clear terminology what would happen if I ever saw him again. I searched my brother's room and found his kit with prescription fentanyl patches that had the person's name who they had been prescribed to. I turned all this over to the detectives investigating the case and was told that they were familiar with that individual selling their prescriptions in the past but that no charges against them would be likely. I have no stomach for drug dealers and feel that the death penalty should be given for anyone convicted of trafficking narcotics. The worst part of this whole narrative is that my mother spiraled into a depression that she never recovered from and passed away five and a half years after my brother. So heroin cost me my brother and my mother. The war on drugs should be fought with the same intensity as any other war.

My heart goes out to you for the losses you have suffered .

Sampson · Dec 16, 2016

EODJoe said:
My little brother was only 21 years old when he OD'd on a mix of heroin and fentanyl almost ten years ago. My mother found him unresponsive in his bed and performed CPR on him until the EMTs arrived and took over. They worked on him for a long time but could never revive him. During the memorial service at my mother's house, my brother's best friend admitted to me that he was the one who had introduced my brother to this particular vice. We knew that my brother had occasionally smoked weed but that day was apparently only the second time that he had tried heroin and his heart stopped. If it were not for the fact that my mother, my wife, and my six week old son were in the house I may have committed homicide. He was told in very clear terminology what would happen if I ever saw him again. I searched my brother's room and found his kit with prescription fentanyl patches that had the person's name who they had been prescribed to. I turned all this over to the detectives investigating the case and was told that they were familiar with that individual selling their prescriptions in the past but that no charges against them would be likely. I have no stomach for drug dealers and feel that the death penalty should be given for anyone convicted of trafficking narcotics. The worst part of this whole narrative is that my mother spiraled into a depression that she never recovered from and passed away five and a half years after my brother. So heroin cost me my brother and my mother. The war on drugs should be fought with the same intensity as any other war.

Very sad story but I'm glad that you spoke up and told it, as one who has personally seen the effects of heroin on the user and others. It is never easy, everyone who knows the victims are affected. May God and time ease your pain of your losses from this drug.

daNattyFatty · Dec 17, 2016

foxtrapper said:
And the fentanyl cutting is really weird. They keep doing it. Why would the dealers continue doing something that is killing off so many customers so quickly? It's bad business sense, and yes, dealers often run this like a business, and yes the higher level ones used to have that business sense. I guess they got as stupid as the suburban/rural kids they are killing off.

While, yes, dealers don't want their clientele to die, junkies seek out the most powerful stuff. They want the stuff that their friend OD'd and almost died from. To them, that's the good stuff. Too bad for them, they rely on a pretty unscientific hand that's doing the cutting.

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