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In truth, the deadline is Sine Die. The bill hopper deadlines are merely suggestions - if they want something bad enough, there are ways to get it done until the gavels fall at midnight on Sine Die.
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esqappellate
President, MSI
- Feb 12, 2012
- 7,408
And they don't even follow their own rules when they don't feel like it.
Why are citizens powerless against this abuse of power? We either just take what they dish out, or start shooting. There should be a formal complaint process where the legislators face consequences for breaking the rules. No matter who is in power.
esqappellate
President, MSI
- Feb 12, 2012
- 7,408
There used to be rules of decorum for legislators, too. Del. Atterbeary has now demonstrated that custom has also been abolished for those she doesn't like.
The People should not have to put up with such contempt for our system of government from those elected to office.
shootin the breeze
Missed it by that much
It's always said in jest (at least how we project it) but I think it's time we actually tar and feather some of these people, starting with her.
I am in full agreement. This is getting absurd. She is not what the framers envision, UNLESS tar and feathers were in the equation.
She's following in Del Dumais' footsteps. Arrogant, abrasive, and ultimately as (un) influential with her Democrat Party peers as Dumais is.
- Nov 11, 2009
- 30,925
These people have learned from Baltimore thugs that if there are no adverse consequences there is no limit to what they can do.
Or maybe Baltimore thugs learned from the GA that there will be no consequences to ignoring their laws.
Perhaps the time is coming when the law-abiding should join the rest of the law-ignoring. It's pretty lonely out here in Gerrymandistan.
Nickberg500
Ultimate Member
As a software developer I appreciated your testimony. I was the eagle scout atterbeary wanted to remind of the shooting range exception for the second or third time while ignoring my previous objections.
PowPow
Where's the beef?
Thanks. I think I needed about 30 more seconds to tie it together. My written testimony was completely different. I had a few topics that I was prepared to discuss in oral testimony, and I picked that one after having not heard any discussion of the bill's complexity.
They either don't realize it or don't care, but every one of those exceptions they add makes the bill more complex. Higher complexity will mean that people will likely not realize they are breaking the law until they have. It's too complicated to follow. There's a reason phone numbers, zip codes, and social security numbers are split into smaller groups. People can remember about 3-5 things before losing it.
They have 13 relations defined for immediate family plus the unstated "not immediate family". They have 6 actions defined for transfer plus the unstated "not a transfer", and then they add with or without consideration. Then, you have another 12 exceptions that may apply depending on the circumstances.
On the surface, the casual reader would think that HB4 has it all covered. After all, it has all of the above, right? The bill, if passed, will likely lead to the creation of a new criminal class in MD, "the formerly law-abiding gun owner". Up to 5 years and up to $10K. No stated requirement for mens rea. (now that I understand what that means)
Tungsten
Ultimate Member
That right there is the most direct explanation of the stupidity in this state. Politicians get away with whatever the hell they want.
I'm stealing this.
Dumais would at least let you answer a question or provide a rebuttal.
esqappellate
President, MSI
- Feb 12, 2012
- 7,408
Agreed. I've been testifying since 2013. I have never been treated that rudely. Maybe someone should remind Del. Atterbeary of Article 13 of the MD Declaration of Rights:
Art. 13. That every man hath a right to petition the Legislature for the redress of grievances in a peaceable and orderly manner.
- Jan 31, 2009
- 3,285
Is there any legal recourse for this stuff? If they pass a law while violating their procedural rules, any legal recourse?
If not, what good are the rules?
Is there Video of her treatment of our citizens here or online ?
Kicken Wing
Snakes and Sparklers
I would love to hear someone say that to Atterbeary during testimony. $100.00 goes to the first person during testimony that gets interrupted or interrogated by her and says, "this is the House of the people, not the house of Vanessa Atterbeary."
I would love to hear someone say that to Atterbeary during testimony. $100.00 goes to the first person during testimony that gets interrupted or interrogated by her and says, "this is the House of the people, not the house of Vanessa Atterbeary."
Whoever did it would probably be immediately ejected, but the video would be worth it.
Her bill didn't pass last year pretty much solely because she irritated her fellow Democrat legislators. If she keeps it up, her bills will get desk drawered in committee. Zirkin may be gone, but I get the feeling he wasn't the only Senator who can't stand her and her entitlement attitude.
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