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  • Melnic

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    Dec 27, 2012
    15,282
    HoCo
    Not sure what would be pointing characteristics would be then.
    For shooting trap, which I’m a novice, the comb defined elevation where it hits without having a rear sight. I had to increase comb with a pad on one of mine so shot higher and could see the bird by holding bead below it


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    Augie

    Ultimate Member
    Sep 30, 2007
    4,504
    Central MD
    25 years ago I used to compete with a TVM 45 caliber poor boy flinter, belonged to Marriottsville Muzzle Loaders and shot all the beef shoots at the AGC.
    The TVM's are well made rifles with quality parts and work quite well, the bottom rifle in the picture is the one I used, small Siler lock, Green Mountain barrel, quite accurate when I did my part.
    Target is one of my best, 3 shots off hand, 50 yards, won some beef with that one. Might have to dust the rifle off and start shooting again.
     

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    Brent

    #2ALivesMatter
    Nov 22, 2013
    2,656
    Amongst the Deplorables, SC.
    25 years ago I used to compete with a TVM 45 caliber poor boy flinter, belonged to Marriottsville Muzzle Loaders and shot all the beef shoots at the AGC.
    The TVM's are well made rifles with quality parts and work quite well, the bottom rifle in the picture is the one I used, small Siler lock, Green Mountain barrel, quite accurate when I did my part.
    Target is one of my best, 3 shots off hand, 50 yards, won some beef with that one. Might have to dust the rifle off and start shooting again.


    That is some DAMN fine shooting! Those flinters look great. The one in the middle is particularly elegant. It looks like a .36? Any chance on some close ups of those guys? Thank you for sharing!!


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    Augie

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    Sep 30, 2007
    4,504
    Central MD
    That is some DAMN fine shooting! Those flinters look great. The one in the middle is particularly elegant. It looks like a .36? Any chance on some close ups of those guys? Thank you for sharing!!


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    Thanks, that was back when I was 25 years younger and could see, I was also practicing several times a month.
    The one in the middle is a .40 cal built by Larry Gardner and one of his students, Larry used to run a small rifle building school from a small shop at his house.
    The other 2 are both TVM rifles built by Jack Garner, the poor boy and a Lancaster style called his Grand rifle, cost a grand at the time and you waited about a year for it, both of those are .45 cal.
    Couple pics, sorry don't have any close ups.
     

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    ca18thc

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    Sep 7, 2013
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    This is my only flintlock. It’s an all original 1795 Harper’s Ferry made in 1809. It was probably used in the war or 1812. I hope to be able to buy more antique flintlocks in the future. I would love to add an original Pennsylvania long rifle to my collection some day.

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    Blacksmith101

    Grumpy Old Man
    Jun 22, 2012
    22,156
    I have a couple of rock locks, now I want a match lock and a Hand Gonne. Shooting a flint lock is different from shooting either a cartridge gun or a percussion cap smoke pole. I was going to recommend buying a Track Of The Wolf Catalog (well worth the price) but I see they are out of print, hopefully they are working on an updated version.

    Here are some links you might find interesting:
    About Black Powder
    https://web.archive.org/web/20171216161359/http://www.musketeer.ch:80/blackpowder/bp_menu.html
    Flintlocks: How to Shoot Them
    https://www.chuckhawks.com/flintlocks.htm
    Shooting and Maintaining a Flintlock
    http://www.geojohn.org/BlackPowder/Musketoon/ShootingTheFlintlock.html
    Making your flintlock ignition faster in 15 easy steps
    https://blog.davide-pedersoli.com/making-your-flintlock-ignition-faster-in-15-easy-steps/
    Jim Chambers Flintlocks
    https://www.flintlocks.com/index.htm
    Dixon Muzzleloading Shop (you do want to go to the Annual Gunmakers’ Fair when they resume it is an education)
    http://www.dixonmuzzleloading.com/

    Lock Timing
    A Study in Lock Timing
    https://www.blackpowdermag.com/a-study-in-lock-timing/
    Flintlock Videos
    https://www.blackpowdermag.com/category/videos/

     
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    Brent

    #2ALivesMatter
    Nov 22, 2013
    2,656
    Amongst the Deplorables, SC.
    I have a couple of rock locks, now I want a match lock and a Hand Gonne. Shooting a flint lock is different from shooting either a cartridge gun or a percussion cap smoke pole. I was going to recommend buying a Track Of The Wolf Catalog (well worth the price) but I see they are out of print, hopefully they are working on an updated version.

    Here are some links you might find interesting:
    About Black Powder
    https://web.archive.org/web/20171216161359/http://www.musketeer.ch:80/blackpowder/bp_menu.html
    Flintlocks: How to Shoot Them
    https://www.chuckhawks.com/flintlocks.htm
    Shooting and Maintaining a Flintlock
    http://www.geojohn.org/BlackPowder/Musketoon/ShootingTheFlintlock.html
    Making your flintlock ignition faster in 15 easy steps
    https://blog.davide-pedersoli.com/making-your-flintlock-ignition-faster-in-15-easy-steps/
    Jim Chambers Flintlocks
    https://www.flintlocks.com/index.htm
    Dixon Muzzleloading Shop (you do want to go to the Annual Gunmakers’ Fair when they resume it is an education)
    http://www.dixonmuzzleloading.com/

    Lock Timing
    A Study in Lock Timing
    https://www.blackpowdermag.com/a-study-in-lock-timing/
    Flintlock Videos
    https://www.blackpowdermag.com/category/videos/




    Wow thank you so much! I’m going to systematically dig through those while I wait! I really do appreciate you taking the time to send me those!!


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    danimalw

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    Welcome to the Dark Side. I have a Lyman .54 Great Plains flinter.

    Some of the tricks that I've learned.
    1. Most touch holes are too small, and if it's in a removable touch hole liner, the face of liner needs dished out. I can't remember what size I enlarged the actual touch hole to but FFg almost trickles out. (14ga copper wire is larger than the actual hole)I do remember that I used a 1/8" drill bit to dish out the face. The gist of it is, just use the very tip to drill. Do not go beyond the tip. This will still leave the ends of the screw slot intact to install/remove liner while shortening the distance the primer flash needs to travel for ignition WITHOUT making the touch hole liner thinner between the inside and outside. This only removed extra material on the face.

    2. Don't overfill the pan with primer powder, too much and it will slow the ignition since it will have to burn down to get to touch hole.

    3. Try different sized balls and patching material, I've found .535 balls and pillow ticking coated with bore butter works well for me. Ymmv. Buy pillow ticking in bulk at walmart or other fabric store

    4. 10 oz cotton duck cloth and a .50 cleaning jag works really well for cleaning. Bought a couple yards at Walmart and cut into squares. The material is too thick to use with a .54 jag.

    5. Now for the irony, even though it's twist rate is for patched balls, it shoots 425 gr great plains bullets and sabots decently (plenty accurate for deer at 100 yards).
     

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    Brent

    #2ALivesMatter
    Nov 22, 2013
    2,656
    Amongst the Deplorables, SC.
    Welcome to the Dark Side. I have a Lyman .54 Great Plains flinter.

    Some of the tricks that I've learned.
    1. Most touch holes are too small, and if it's in a removable touch hole liner, the face of liner needs dished out. I can't remember what size I enlarged the actual touch hole to but FFg almost trickles out. (14ga copper wire is larger than the actual hole)I do remember that I used a 1/8" drill bit to dish out the face. The gist of it is, just use the very tip to drill. Do not go beyond the tip. This will still leave the ends of the screw slot intact to install/remove liner while shortening the distance the primer flash needs to travel for ignition WITHOUT making the touch hole liner thinner between the inside and outside. This only removed extra material on the face.

    2. Don't overfill the pan with primer powder, too much and it will slow the ignition since it will have to burn down to get to touch hole.

    3. Try different sized balls and patching material, I've found .535 balls and pillow ticking coated with bore butter works well for me. Ymmv. Buy pillow ticking in bulk at walmart or other fabric store

    4. 10 oz cotton duck cloth and a .50 cleaning jag works really well for cleaning. Bought a couple yards at Walmart and cut into squares. The material is too thick to use with a .54 jag.

    5. Now for the irony, even though it's twist rate is for patched balls, it shoots 425 gr great plains bullets and sabots decently (plenty accurate for deer at 100 yards).


    Hey brother thank you!! I really appreciate you taking the time to write the detailed message out!! Some I have read before but your cleaning method I hadn’t!! I’m in the process of living between NC and SC at the moment and have connected with a couple people as well. I know there are some rock-lock guys down near where I’m moving in Charleston! The best way I think I’m going to learn is to meet up with some of these guys!!

    I can’t wait!


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    Brent

    #2ALivesMatter
    Nov 22, 2013
    2,656
    Amongst the Deplorables, SC.
    You are very welcome. The other thing I forgot to mention, get real napped flints. They last much longer and stay sharper than the smooth milled t/c flints.


    Absolutely! ToTW will be my friend!
    A lot of what I read has people preferring English black. I think that’s what I’m going to roll with


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