Drone Registration Official, Due by Feb. 21st

JasonB said:

If it's not autonomous then it is not a drone... Not sure how we started calling all RC helicopters "drones".

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That's a great point.

They are probably drone-style helicopters. ;-)


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Mike said:

I'm just the messenger, so please hold your fire

http://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsId=19856

Registration Begins on December 21, 2015, First 30 Days are Free

WASHINGTON – The U.S. Department of Transportation’s Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) today announced a streamlined and user-friendly web-based aircraft registration process for owners of small unmanned aircraft (UAS) weighing more than 0.55 pounds (250 grams) and less than 55 pounds (approx. 25 kilograms) including payloads such as on-board cameras.... see link

registration link www.faa.gov/uas/registration

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And you will be spending ten years in jail and $250,000 for that pirated movie you watched unknowingly at your friends house.

Breaking news... All citizens with toolboxes, tools, and implements that could approximate tools are required to register those items with the Department of Homeland Insecurity. Failure to register will result in your assignment to a gender integrated Marine Infantry Regiment. Don't test the fed!!! They will do it!!!

Markp said:

Breaking news... All citizens with toolboxes, tools, and implements that could approximate tools are required to register those items with the Department of Homeland Insecurity. Failure to register will result in your assignment to a gender integrated Marine Infantry Regiment. Don't test the fed!!! They will do it!!!

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I would have to become transgender so I could shower with the ladies.

This is not about registering "drones" but anything that flies. Over 55 pounds comes under different rules, already in place.

And this is NOT registration of individual UASes (Unmanned Aerial Systems), it is registration of the USERS of such devices. You basically register YOURSELF, and then put your ID on every one of your devices.

So the analogy is not universal registration of guns, but of gun owners.

But basically stupid.

And also, regs like are required to be PROPOSED, and have a COMMENT period, and then the comments ADDRESSED in the final rule. FAA has put out a rule, that goes into affect before the comment period.

First they registered the drones, and I didn't care because I didn't have a drone....

WeaponsCollector said:

First they registered the drones, and I didn't care because I didn't have a drone....

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Exactly.

This one's better.
" First they registered the drone owners, and I did not speak out because I am not a drone owner...."

It's been interesting watching some of the anti-gun tech peoples' brain short circuit when you bring up that the arguments against this that they are making are the exact same ones the pro-gun rights people have been saving for years. (ie. this wont stop bad people from doing bad things, only the law abiding will register)

I think the FAA has fallen into the trap of issuing a regulation that will be largely flouted.

That being said, there have been problems. The R/C model aviation community has their heads screwed on straight, but you can buy some hardware that is out-of-the-box flight -ready...and the FAA has a legitimate concern with some twit crashing into houses and cars. To say nothing of operating in airport traffic patterns.

Funny part is you can program some of the quad copters fly themselves via GPS coordinates, no ground station needed for the flight.........

Mike OTDP said:

I think the FAA has fallen into the trap of issuing a regulation that will be largely flouted.

That being said, there have been problems. The R/C model aviation community has their heads screwed on straight, but you can buy some hardware that is out-of-the-box flight -ready...and the FAA has a legitimate concern with some twit crashing into houses and cars. To say nothing of operating in airport traffic patterns.

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Thing is for all of the panic about "drones", and report about hundreds of "sightings" by manned aircraft there have been 0 confirmed crashes into aircraft, and the vast majority of sightings end up unsubstantiated or mistaken. Even with all the largely hypothetical "idiots" misusing RC stuff, birds are still thousands of times more dangerous to air travel. As far as crashing into homes and cars, there are plenty of liability laws already, really not any different from a baseball over the fence in that case, are we going to have to register them? There are plenty of stories about Sen Feinstein being involved in this after small toy RC helis were involved in a protest aggainst her. There are a few articles about large food conglomerates(and big campaign donors) getting busted by drone hobbyists for illegal dumping(most recently cost Smithfield foods 12.6 million in fines). There are many influential people that legitimately fear RC drones in civilian hands, not unlike efforts to block cell phone cameras, and wiretapping laws to protect crooked politicians, there is always more to the story than the public is fed.

The issue isn't the current $5 registration cost, doesn't even have much to do with "drones" AKA all RC, control line and Kites above 8oz in weight. It is the fact that Model aircraft are specifically exempted from FAA regulation by LAW, and this basically ignores it, they are seeking to create a loophole against FAA statutory limitations by claiming the law is under the parent department, DOT. The regulation process itself was not followed, there was a task force established, the participants, including most large businesses and organizations that could fight it was placed under a gag order, and in the end the task force recommendations were largely ignored.

It's basically a blueprint on how the executive branch alone can sidestep congressional law, silence opposition, and create their own laws, should be terrifying to anyone in the gun rights community. It also invokes huge penalties (1/4 million fine + 3 years in fed prison) being the way the system was established it is all but guaranteed to produce MILLIONS of new criminals through massive non-compliance which is sure to be misused by the Administration. All of this, and it does 0 to change or establish any law dealing with actual misuse of model aircraft. Largely unfounded fears were the rallying point to gain acceptance and support, but fairly obvious it has nothing to do with their intentions.

DIY drones:

https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/magpi-issue-19-your-free-raspberry-pi-magazine-out-now/

http://www.instructables.com/id/The-Drone-Pi/

alucard0822 said:

... It also invokes huge penalties (1/4 million fine + 3 years in fed prison) being the way the system was established it is all but guaranteed to produce MILLIONS of new criminals through massive non-compliance which is sure to be misused by the Administration.

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Easy way to convert an entire generation of teens into prohibited persons due to the potential sentence length.

gamer_jim said:

If we put a gun on our drones, do we have to register them twice?

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not if it's an HBAR on a drone

Didn't CB radios once require a govt. license, and once the craze hit in the 70's sales went through the roof and everybody pretty much ignored it?

Mike OTDP said:

I think the FAA has fallen into the trap of issuing a regulation that will be largely flouted.

That being said, there have been problems. The R/C model aviation community has their heads screwed on straight, but you can buy some hardware that is out-of-the-box flight -ready...and the FAA has a legitimate concern with some twit crashing into houses and cars. To say nothing of operating in airport traffic patterns.

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fscwi said:

Didn't CB radios once require a govt. license, and once the craze hit in the 70's sales went through the roof and everybody pretty much ignored it?

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Yes. But the FCC did not bother people who were basically operating legally, but they did go after people running very high power and off frequency.

This is probably go the same way, if you do something stupid with one, they will tack the lack of registration charges on top of any other charges.

I have a number of microcontroller boards - Arduinos, PICs, AVRs, etc. I have at least one computer capable of downloading autopilot code, compiling it, and downloading it to these boards. If I receive an R/C airplane as a Christmas gift, will I be in constructive possession of a drone?

The drone folks haven't been down this path ... yet.

fscwi said:

Didn't CB radios once require a govt. license, and once the craze hit in the 70's sales went through the roof and everybody pretty much ignored it?

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Almost the opposite, radio transmission required an FCC license, it got popular, people bought radios, operated without licenses, and made up call signs to avoid the FCC. Eventually the sheer number of non-licensed operators and CB's popularity caused the FCC to give up, and set aside a band for it's use. In this case RC flight has essentially been unregulated since the beginning, RC control systems had minimal FCC regulation. Now that the popularity is enormous, they want to initiate a license requirement and regulations, not remove the requirement and de-regulate it like CB.

MigraineMan said:

I have a number of microcontroller boards - Arduinos, PICs, AVRs, etc. I have at least one computer capable of downloading autopilot code, compiling it, and downloading it to these boards. If I receive an R/C airplane as a Christmas gift, will I be in constructive possession of a drone?

The drone folks haven't been down this path ... yet.

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The new Reg is unique in that the "operator" is what is being registered, then placing the registration # on all RC aircraft before flying outdoors. The aircraft isn't a "drone" until it flies outdoors, so no constructive intent, capability doesn't really matter, only that it can be controlled from the ground, and weighs over 8oz, the way it is written a large kite with 0 electronics is a drone, but a fully autonomous quadcopter that is programmed to fly a course set by waypoints isn't. Your RC airplane alone would be a drone as soon as it takes off outdoors, but add autonomous navigation, and it would no longer be one.

gamer_jim said:

This makes me want to do a DIY drone project with my raspberry pi.

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Talk to me I have no drone, but I have PI's