SB387 "Public Safety - Untraceable Firearms" - The Ban on Private Firearm Making

DC-W · Jan 25, 2022

SB387/HB425 "Public Safety - Untraceable Firearms" - Ban on Private Gun Ownership

HB425/SB387 "Public Safety - Untraceable Firearms"
These bills criminalize the possession of all unserialized firearms made after 1968 and any "unfinished frames or receivers" effective 1/1/2023.
Current owners, at their own cost, would need an FFL who provides marking services (FFL 07) to serialize every affected gun by 1/1/2023 to be in compliance. The serialization is prescribed in the bill to require the FFL's first three and last five numbers then a hyphen, and then "another number." Violators face up to 3 years of imprisonment and up to a $10,000 fine and forfeit gun rights. Each violation is a separate offense and the government doesn't need to demonstrate that violators intended to break the law.

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MSI's Official Testimony: https://www.marylandshallissue.org/...-and-sb387-public-safety-untraceable-firearms

House Bill 425 was heard on 2/9
Watch it here: https://youtu.be/AXCRfR8avOw?t=3207

3/4: The Judiciary Committee has given HB425 a favorable report along party lines, 14-7.

Senate Bill 387 was heard on 2/16
Watch it here: https://youtu.be/ySL5G8uCVl8?t=9756

Bertfish · Jan 25, 2022

I'm good thanks

Engine4 · Jan 25, 2022

Thanks for the info.

WWNC

F 'em.

rbird7282 · Jan 25, 2022

That says it doesn't apply to firearms made before 1968. (unless I'm reading that incorrectly which is entirely possible) 5-702
It's still a POS bill however.

teratos · Jan 25, 2022

Can FFL's serialize a firearm I made?

I don't believe they can.

Bertfish · Jan 25, 2022

teratos said:
Can FFL's serialize a firearm I made?

I don't believe they can.

You see this as a flaw, they see this as a feature

jcutonilli · Jan 25, 2022

DC-W said:
SB387 "Public Safety - Untraceable Firearms"
The bill criminalizes the possession of all unserialized firearms made before 1968 and any "unfinished frames or receivers" effective 1/1/2023.
Current owners, at their own cost, would need an FFL who provides marking services to serialize every affected gun by 1/1/2023 to be in compliance. The serialization is prescribed in the bill to require the FFL's first three and last five numbers then a hyphen, and then "another number." Violators face up to 3 years of imprisonment and up to a $10,000 fine and forfeit gun rights. Each violation is a separate offense.

Read it in MSI's tracker here: https://airtable.com/shrisaCzIZOxrXF46/tblwdSr2zmZtmdKob/recA3yAKSpKGleNwr

It does not criminalize possession of all unserialized firearms made BEFORE 1968. Section 5-702(1) specifically exempts those made BEFORE 1968.

It does criminalize possession of all unserialized firearms made AFTER 1968.

DC-W · Jan 25, 2022

My haste in typing that up.

Xshot · Jan 25, 2022

Good luck.

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HappyCamper · Jan 25, 2022

So, I think a great engraving decoration for a gun would be to engrave the entire gun with random numbers. In addition to this new requirement set of numbers mixed in with them, of course. That would look good.

davsco · Jan 25, 2022

wow i feel safer already!!!!!

Rocinante · Jan 25, 2022

Bertfish said:
You see this as a flaw, they see this as a feature

So if this passes that means the State of MD is requiring its citizens to break federal law to be in compliance with state law.

teratos · Jan 25, 2022

Bertfish said:
You see this as a flaw, they see this as a feature

They don't want me to get an FFL07.....This may drive me to that step....

Bertfish · Jan 25, 2022

Rocinante said:
So if this passes that means the State of MD is requiring its citizens to break federal law to be in compliance with state law.

They're trying to do it with the cannabis cards now

Well we want a law so you can have an HQL card and a medical card

That's illegal under federal law guys

They don't care when its convenient for them

Boxcab · Jan 25, 2022

Hypothetically, if I finished an 80% and have already put my own S/N and ATF required markings on it, where would that fall under the new law?

If I 3D print a handgun frame that contains no metal in it (Nylon perhaps), how would an FFL make an engraving that would be considered durable?

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Squaregrouper · Jan 25, 2022

Rocinante said:
So if this passes that means the State of MD is requiring its citizens to break federal law to be in compliance with state law.

And no FFL is going to legally be able to engrave them. Thus, the new bill proposed is a catch 22 for all existing homemade firearms.

Rocinante · Jan 25, 2022

Boxcab said:
Hypothetically, if I finished an 80% and have already put my own S/N and ATF required markings on it, where would that fall under the new law?

No, the proposed law states it has to be performed by an FFL (which is currently illegal under federal law).

Boxcab said:
If I 3D print a handgun frame that contains no metal in it (Nylon perhaps), how would an FFL make an engraving that would be considered durable?

No, ATF regs state the serial has to be engraved on metal at a certain depth and size.

Rocinante · Jan 25, 2022

squaregrouper said:
And no FFL is going to legally be able to engrave them. Thus, the new bill proposed is a catch 22 for all existing homemade firearms.

Sounds like a slam-dunk lawsuit to me barring a braindead activist judge. The state can't legally make you break the law and one could argue this is entrapment.

Ponder_MD · Jan 25, 2022

Rocinante said:
Sounds like a slam-dunk lawsuit to me barring a braindead activist judge. The state can't legally make you break the law and one could argue this is entrapment.

Now all we need is people who can explain it to the MGA in a coherent manner...not that this is a guarantee of a positive outcome. :sad20:

Bertfish · Jan 25, 2022

Ponder_MD said:
Now all we need is people who can explain it to the MGA in a coherent manner...not that this is a guarantee of a positive outcome.

Do not explain it to then

Do not help them screw us

Let them write themselves in to a lawsuit

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