MSP 77r e-portal goes live 1-1-17

NoFro · Jan 9, 2017

BradyWarrior said:
Now that the state form (77R) is online, are dealers doing anything different with the 4473?

I had a dealer inform me that the 4473 is populated on the MDSP side from info on the 77R. I don't believe that, but it's obviously something that needs to be cleared up or else people are going to have compliance problems.

Yes, 4473 will still need to be done. The MSP run the NICS check with information from the 77r, but the 4473 still needs to be done at the dealer at the time of the application. That's one of the reasons you still need to make 2 trips to the dealer to buy a handgun.

BradyWarrior · Jan 9, 2017

Buff7mm said:
I still filled out the 4473 at my dealer, they still need it by federal law. The MSP just does the NICS check and passes the NICS number along to the dealer to fill in that section of the 4473 for their records.

j_h_smith said:
My dealer requires a visit to complete the 4473, so 2 visits are still required.

Understood guys, but not everyone got that memo apparently. This dealer made it sound like MDSP would generate the 4473 and send it back to them based on the 77R input.

platoonDaddy · Jan 9, 2017

jdalex80 said:
Oh... and yes, everything at the Barrack was done on their computer but buyer and seller had absolutely no hands-on with their computers... as expected. The Trooper could change any information that was either not correct or had changed since the date/time I filled out the on-line form and went to get it processed.

All I provided to the Trooper was Application Number, PIN (as emailed to me after I filled out the form), my Driver's License and HQL, and the Seller's Driver's License and HQL.

There was actually NO paperwork printed out by me or the Trooper. I still have access to the form and all the info (except masked Seller info) via the MDSP Licensing Portal.

Does the barracks still have 4473's?

BUFF7MM · Jan 9, 2017

BradyWarrior said:
Understood guys, but not everyone got that memo apparently. This dealer made it sound like MDSP would generate the 4473 and send it back to them based on the 77R input.

I get to find out in the morning how the end process works, I figure it will go off without a hitch, I've already got the NICS number from the portal.

BradyWarrior · Jan 9, 2017

Buff7mm said:
I get to find out in the morning how the end process works, I figure it will go off without a hitch, I've already got the NICS number from the portal.

Thanks, let us know.

gmharle · Jan 9, 2017

Pinecone said:
Did another one this morning for a GB auction win.
Over 2400, in less than 10 days.

I wonder how many are for actual purchases compared to people filling out an application to try out the new system.

gmharle · Jan 10, 2017

I received this email this morning. And the status online has changed to "Initial Review Not Disapproved."

"Dear Gregory Harle,

Congratulations. Your application, 2017000015, to purchase a regulated firearm from Baltimore's Best Pawn has been Not Disapproved by the Maryland State Police. You may return to the selected firearm dealer to arrange pickup/transfer of your item during the dealer's regular business hours.

When you return to your selected firearm dealer to pick up your item, you will need the application PIN in order to complete the weapon transfer. The PIN for application 2017000015 is: XXXX.

If you have already taken possession of the firearm in question, or you believe you are receiving this email in error, please notify the Maryland State Police Licensing Division immediately at: 401-653-4500."

Thank you,
The Maryland State Police,
Licensing Division
401-653-4500

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Pinecone · Jan 10, 2017

Buff7mm said:
I still filled out the 4473 at my dealer, they still need it by federal law. The MSP just does the NICS check and passes the NICS number along to the dealer to fill in that section of the 4473 for their records.

Same here.

Pinecone · Jan 10, 2017

gmharle said:
I wonder how many are for actual purchases compared to people filling out an application to try out the new system.

I am sure there are a lot of pending apps with not purchase in sight.

But still, a pretty healthy number, especially right after Xmas.

Since it takes so long to do one, I don't really see a reason to have one waiting in the system.

Haides · Jan 10, 2017

"If you have already taken possession of the firearm in question... please notify the Maryland State Police Licensing Division immediately..."

Lolwut?

Hawkeye · Jan 10, 2017

BradyWarrior said:
Now that the state form (77R) is online, are dealers doing anything different with the 4473?

I had a dealer inform me that the 4473 is populated on the MDSP side from info on the 77R. I don't believe that, but it's obviously something that needs to be cleared up or else people are going to have compliance problems.

BradyWarrior said:
Understood guys, but not everyone got that memo apparently. This dealer made it sound like MDSP would generate the 4473 and send it back to them based on the 77R input.

Your dealer is very, very confused then. The 77R (a Maryland state form) and the 4473 (a Federal form) have nothing to do with each other and are not connected in any way.

MSP could give a crap less about the 4473 and are certainly not going to be magically generating them for people or something. This entire online process is ONLY to replace the 77R. You still need to do a 4473, same as always. Some dealers now do this electronically, and I suppose some probably still do it on paper but whatever process they use it won't be changed by the new e-77R.

BUFF7MM · Jan 10, 2017

gmharle said:
I received this email this morning. And the status online has changed to "Initial Review Not Disapproved."

"Dear Gregory Harle,

Congratulations. Your application, 2017000015, to purchase a regulated firearm from Baltimore's Best Pawn has been Not Disapproved by the Maryland State Police. You may return to the selected firearm dealer to arrange pickup/transfer of your item during the dealer's regular business hours.

When you return to your selected firearm dealer to pick up your item, you will need the application PIN in order to complete the weapon transfer. The PIN for application 2017000015 is: XXXX.

If you have already taken possession of the firearm in question, or you believe you are receiving this email in error, please notify the Maryland State Police Licensing Division immediately at: 401-653-4500."

Thank you,
The Maryland State Police,
Licensing Division
401-653-4500

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Yep got me that same thing this morning also. :party29:

swinokur · Jan 10, 2017

what does Initial review-not disapproved mean? Is there another review?

BUFF7MM · Jan 10, 2017

swinokur said:
what does Initial review-not disapproved mean? Is there another review?

I'll let you know about 10:30ish. :shrug:

GregSB · Jan 10, 2017

Mine says secondary review not disapproved. Can pick it up tomorrow.

BUFF7MM · Jan 10, 2017

GregSB said:
Mine says secondary review not disapproved. Can pick it up tomorrow.

I never got secondary on mine, that must have had to dig deeeeeep into your background.

gmharle · Jan 10, 2017

I never got any secondary on mine either.

gmharle · Jan 10, 2017

swinokur said:
what does Initial review-not disapproved mean? Is there another review?

Good question. From the wording it would imply that there is some other type of review. We shall see how it ends up when I go to the shop this morning.

StickShaker · Jan 10, 2017

swinokur said:
what does Initial review-not disapproved mean? Is there another review?

I have a feeling it has always been like this, sorta like the HQL process and now a secondary review is showing up with the HQL as well. NICS is the initial but MD does further checks with others who are either not on board with NICS or maybe the information is delayed.

gmharle · Jan 10, 2017

So it was pretty easy at the dealer. They just entered a few pieces of info and I was on my way. The Date form received final just gets todays date. And it still says initial not disapproved. Now it is still listed on my applications list with no expiration date and just the print application button. I have to say that I was expecting things to not go so smooth.

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