Justin Ready supports SB0224 PBJ as disqualifying crime

Silent Partner · Jan 29, 2017

After seeing this Sunday 1-22 I emailed him inquiring why he supported this, I have not received a reply. Maybe it’s because I don’t live in his district, 5, but he takes my donations.
Please put pressure on him to answer for his support or remove his support from this bill.

justin.ready@senate.state.md.us

fabsroman · Jan 29, 2017

For those that would like to see the proposed legislation without having to dig too far, I am attaching in pdf format. Also attaching the related Crim Pro 6-233.

I really hate the fact that somebody loses their 2nd Amendment Right on a Probation Before Judgment. Usually, a PBJ is offered when the incident isn't all that bad or the State's case isn't all that good. A PBJ isn't a finding of guilty.

Edit to add: Wow, just figured out that District 5 is in Carroll County and this guy lives in Westminster. Goes to reinforce my debate about moving to Carroll County. It just would not be far enough from central Maryland to make it worthwhile.

HRDWRK · Jan 29, 2017

Silent Partner said:
After seeing this Sunday 1-22 I emailed him inquiring why he supported this, I have not received a reply. Maybe it’s because I don’t live in his district, 5, but he takes my donations.
Please put pressure on him to answer for his support or remove his support from this bill.

justin.ready@senate.state.md.us

I just spoke to Justin Ready and He stated " Doesn't Support this bill"!
" He doesn't know how his name got put on the bill"
" He will have his name removed from being a co sponsor of the bill"

I am sure that we will hear more on Monday night!

GTOGUNNER · Jan 29, 2017

(2) “Convicted of a disqualifying crime” does not include a case in which a
person received a probation before judgment: (i) for assault in the second degree, UNLESS THE CRIME WAS A
2 DOMESTICALLY RELATED CRIME AS DEFINED IN § 6–233 OF THE CRIMINAL
3 PROCEDURE ARTICLE;
or

Only thing new about the Law is the bold part. Not so sure I don't agree with it.

MJD438 · Jan 29, 2017

GTOGUNNER said:
(2) “Convicted of a disqualifying crime” does not include a case in which a
person received a probation before judgment: (i) for assault in the second degree, UNLESS THE CRIME WAS A
2 DOMESTICALLY RELATED CRIME AS DEFINED IN § 6–233 OF THE CRIMINAL
3 PROCEDURE ARTICLE;
or

Only thing new about the Law is the bold part. Not so sure I don't agree with it.

I would suggest a review of what constitutes 2nd degree assault in Md. People may be surprised at the minimum steps this would require to be a lifelong prohibitor for 2A concerns.

iH8DemLibz · Jan 29, 2017

Pretty soon it will be: If you were arrested for a crime that could result in a PBJ, all gun rights will be forfeited.

andimorony · Jan 29, 2017

MJD438 said:
I would suggest a review of what constitutes 2nd degree assault in Md. People may be surprised at the minimum steps this would require to be a lifelong prohibitor for 2A concerns.

Yeah, this! :thumbsup:

fabsroman · Jan 29, 2017

MJD438 said:
I would suggest a review of what constitutes 2nd degree assault in Md. People may be surprised at the minimum steps this would require to be a lifelong prohibitor for 2A concerns.

Yep. 2nd degree assault does not even require a touching. A person can be assaulted just by words. If I yell at my spouse and she is scared, I have just assaulted her and possibly lost my 2nd Amendment Right. Of course, LEO's and the State's Attorney have charging discretion, but it would suck to be on the wrong end of that discretion.

§3–201.
(a) In this subtitle the following words have the meanings indicated.
(b) “Assault” means the crimes of assault, battery, and assault and battery, which retain their judicially determined meanings.

§3–203.
(a) A person may not commit an assault.
(b) Except as provided in subsection (c) of this section, a person who violates subsection (a) of this section is guilty of the misdemeanor of assault in the second degree and on conviction is subject to imprisonment not exceeding 10 years or a fine not exceeding $2,500 or both.

Note that assault is a lot different than battery. Battery is actually touching/hitting somebody.

Rack&Roll · Jan 29, 2017

This bill in insanity.

As for Sen. Justin Ready, a self-avowed pro 2A legislator, it will be important to know how his name got on a bill like this. I look forward to Sen. Ready joining us at Lawyer's Mall tomorrow night to hear how this happened and this kind of thing can be prevented in the future.

GTOGUNNER · Jan 29, 2017

If you get arrested because your wife or husband calls the cops on you, you need a divorce. No hitting, no breaking crap in front of the kids.
No Gun for you.

Jim12 · Jan 30, 2017

A PBJ is a PBJ. Attaching consequences beyond the period of probation passes judgment and imposes a lifelong sentence, making "PBJ" a dramatic misnomer and trap for the unwary.

steveh326 · Jan 30, 2017

MJD438 said:
I would suggest a review of what constitutes 2nd degree assault in Md. People may be surprised at the minimum steps this would require to be a lifelong prohibitor for 2A concerns.

I could see a potential for a lot of problems for this during something like a nasty divorce... unsubstantiated claims from one spouse against another... ripe for misuse if it is passed.

Not_an_outlaw · Jan 30, 2017

steveh326 said:
I could see a potential for a lot of problems for this during something like a nasty divorce... unsubstantiated claims from one spouse against another... ripe for misuse if it is passed.

Concur. I think we all know someone who had a spouse call the police and make up charges. Interestingly, there are no penalties enforced for making a false claim.

daggo66 · Jan 30, 2017

GTOGUNNER said:
If you get arrested because your wife or husband calls the cops on you, you need a divorce. No hitting, no breaking crap in front of the kids.
No Gun for you.

Unless you are the AACO Sheriff. If she says Ooops, I'm sorry you get your guns back right away.

dist1646 · Jan 30, 2017

WATCHING!!! I don't trust those Carroll County politicians who are supposed to be representing us in Annapolis! Pay attention to Krebs too! It is safe for them to vote against something that they know will pass anyway. Pay very close attention to how little ( if anything) they do to actually support the 2A when they are in session. Their silence is deafening. Lou knew what was going on and that is why we supported Carmen Amedori!

KevinK · Jan 31, 2017

Spoke earlier with his office and he cannot remove his name from the Bill (SB224) until it goes to committee.

Since he is on the Judicial Proceedings committee, it will be removed then. She said there is no date yet for the hearing.

Justin Ready is the real deal, not a 2A glad-handing flunky.

Minuteman · Jan 31, 2017

KevinK said:
Spoke earlier with his office and he cannot remove his name from the Bill (SB224) until it goes to committee.

Since he is on the Judicial Proceedings committee, it will be removed then. She said there is no date yet for the hearing.

Justin Ready is the real deal, not a 2A glad-handing flunky.

That's good to hear. I can't understand how his name could be attached to such a ridiculous bill and him not know about it and actually oppose it. If it is a clerical error it should be fixed immediately. If it's some slimy political BS, then he needs to publicly address it, and speak against it and explain the error at any hearing or public meeting where its addressed.

This is how we got Brochin (spit). That slimy weasel lied to our faces saying he wouldn't support SB281 (aka FSA2013), but in the end stabbed us in the back. He was able to somehow get reelected. This is the kind of two-faced politician that is ripe to be removed via DINO (in the Democrat only Primary election). Or via more traditional political means.

dist1646 · Jan 31, 2017

Minuteman said:
That's good to hear. I can't understand how his name could be attached to such a ridiculous bill and him not know about it and actually oppose it. If it is a clerical error it should be fixed immediately. If it's some slimy political BS, then he needs to publicly address it, and speak against it and explain the error at any hearing or public meeting where its addressed.

I agree!

Stoveman · Jan 31, 2017

We spoke with him today on the bricks and he admitted he thought it was an NRA bill and signed on by mistake. We made him do 50 pushups....

GolfR · Jan 31, 2017

PBJ means that you are guilty of the charges filed against you. It's usually something that people agree to in a guilty plea to avoid punishment. "Judgement" is usually a jail sentence. Have no doubt that even if you are lucky enough to get PBJ on a 2nd degree assault, you are by law guilty of that crime.

I agree with an earlier post, it doesn't take much to be guilty of second degree assault. I had to testify for a friend who defended himself against a drunk idiot in downtown Baltimore. None of us had a single drink at that point in the night. Police didn't see the start of the fight but witnessed it end with my friend dropping the guy. In the end, the assault charges were dropped and he got PBJ and a fine for disorderly.

Justin Ready supports SB0224 PBJ as disqualifying crime

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