/1\ DDR marks. Do we still care?

Threeband · May 18, 2014

h2u said:
...

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?339316-DDR-marked-mosins-Myth-or-reality&highlight=Ddr*

Start from the beginning, but take note of posts- 67, 74, 84, and 87.

...

Post 125 is a bit more clear.

Hi-Torque · May 18, 2014

The /1\Mosin is called out as an East German quality marking in Lapin's "The Mosin-Nagant Rifle" book. His text states that they were refurbished at the Ernst Thaelmann works in Suhl and given the mark there, but never actually produced in Germany. The start of the flow of small arms from Russia to East Germany to Russia started almost 100 years ago, so this isn't an outrageous theory.

Is Lapin's published book, that's been through many revisions, a reliable source of information on this marking?

I totally get the "this guy on the internet said..." source as being impossible to believe. But this is a respected book right? I agree with always questioning but I wonder if Lapin reads the internet and questions the mark now too?

Alphabrew · May 18, 2014

FWIW, when an IP got two crates of Mosins, half of one crate was DDR marked. If it was a refurb mark, perhaps all in that crate should have been marked that way?

http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=114084&highlight=DDR

Threeband · May 18, 2014

All the cognoscenti over at Gunboards seem to think Lapin is a dumb bunny.

Read the thread to which h2u linked.

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?339316-DDR-marked-mosins-Myth-or-reality&highlight=Ddr*

winterfaust · May 18, 2014

thing is the dudes in the forum have not wrote a book about it..... idk but IMO from my experience being a moderator on an automotive forum. I have listen and read all sorts of laughable theory. I work in the automotive industry as well and nothing makes me start laughing harder then the client saying "I was on blah-blah forum and..." Everyone that posts in a forum is an expert if you didn't know. I think maybe since they are experts they should write us a book as well, a Mosin thesaurus of the sort....

So to chalk it up, maybe its an East German Mark, maybe its a specific refurb mark... bottom line its not as common as many others and therefore commands additional monies just like MO, five lines, no names, polish etc. Maybe one day some prestigious expert will shed the light on the matter until then we can only believe in our uncertainties amassed from the Mosin mobs.

Abulg1972 · May 20, 2014

This may have already been posted, but I was looking at AIM's site and they offer a "DDR" stamped 91/30 for $179.99 (currently not in stock). This compares to $129.99 for a run of the mill 91/30.

Alphabrew · May 20, 2014

Abulg1972 said:
This may have already been posted, but I was looking at AIM's site and they offer a "DDR" stamped 91/30 for $179.99 (currently not in stock). This compares to $129.99 for a run of the mill 91/30.

Those haven't been in stock for more than a year. Without a doubt, DDR used to bring a premium. I'm not sure if that's still the case.

toolness1 · May 20, 2014

I still believe! :tinfoil2:

yellowsled · May 20, 2014

toolness1 said:
I still believe!

Amen!

Alphabrew · May 20, 2014

toolness1 said:
I still believe!

yellowsled said:
Amen!

Hi-Torque · May 21, 2014

If it is not true, I truly hope it is clearly resolved once and for all, because i do honestly care about the history of the /1\ rifles.

But I've read the threads, the referenced threads, and the referenced referenced threads. There are many doubts that are interesting to read, but no one has proved to me the story in the reference book that you'll find at every gun show is wrong, or given an alternate story that is properly laid out and sourced. It's just doubts and theories at this point.

You can devalue your rifles all you like, but the marking is explained in print if you'd like to value it at a premium. I understand even books are wrong, but we are down to whether you believe an internet forum over a reference book. I know which one won't sound crazy when explaining it to someone in real life.

So to conclude, really nice M44 DDR Alphabrew.

Threeband · May 21, 2014

winterfaust · May 21, 2014

ERRRR?? ^^^^

Alphabrew · May 21, 2014

Hi-Torque said:
So to conclude, really nice M44 DDR Alphabrew.

Thanks! I'm very happy with it, even without the mark. The DDR mark is just a cherry on top. The intrigue/controversy adds to my interest in it.

tsmith1499 · May 21, 2014

I paid $169.00 for one a year or so ago at South Carroll Sporting Goods
( thanks to the heads up by Yellowsled) and I believe.

I do agree though that just because it is published in a book does not make it true. I have, in fact, debunked a "known fact" in a book that was published here in MD that I had documented evidence that their account of something was in fact wrong. Not saying this is, but I have personal experience with this type of thing. It is possible without written or photographic evidence.

AssMan · May 21, 2014

Hi-Torque said:
The /1\Mosin is called out as an East German quality marking in Lapin's "The Mosin-Nagant Rifle" book. His text states that they were refurbished at the Ernst Thaelmann works in Suhl and given the mark there, but never actually produced in Germany. The start of the flow of small arms from Russia to East Germany to Russia started almost 100 years ago, so this isn't an outrageous theory.

Is Lapin's published book, that's been through many revisions, a reliable source of information on this marking?

I totally get the "this guy on the internet said..." source as being impossible to believe. But this is a respected book right? I agree with always questioning but I wonder if Lapin reads the internet and questions the mark now too?

I wonder why all of the Makarovs produced there don't have the /1\ ?

Threeband · May 21, 2014

Cutting edge scholarship is not found in books.

winterfaust said:
ERRRR?? ^^^^

Watch the movie!
Or read the lyrics to the song.

(Only people who believe in Santa Claus can hear the ringing of the magic sleigh bell.)

Hi-Torque · May 21, 2014

snallygaster said:
I wonder why all of the Makarovs produced there don't have the /1\ ?

Mosins were not produced there. They were refurbished there. The /1\ and \2/ markings are called out as refurb marks, not production marks.

AssMan · May 21, 2014

Hi-Torque said:
Mosins were not produced there. They were refurbished there. The /1\ and \2/ markings are called out as refurb marks, not production marks.

Gotcha.

metalman3006 · Aug 28, 2014

over on gunboards they say it is a done deal, referb mark

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthr...acilities-Identified-(including-quot-1-quot-)

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