Cartridges of the World' 6th edition

J Beard · Apr 12, 2013

Does anybody have a copy and can scan a page or two?
I am only looking for the load data for 35Winchester self loading and I hear it may be in there.

Uncle Duke · Apr 12, 2013

This link below might help shed a bit of light anyway. I can tell you for sure that there is in fact very limited load data in my copy of the 4th edition of Cartridges of the World. It was published in 1980. Cannot speak to the Sixth edition as I do not have it, and whether or not the later edition listed any data changes I cannot say. That is possible, but I'm thinking unlikely. I do not have the ability to scan the data.

As an FYI, you'll note that the data in the link below that the author attributes to Lyman #43 mentions a range of 45 to 50 grains of IMR4320 with a 250 grain bullet. The powder charge as listed in the Cartridges of the World 4th Edition data is a single listing of 48 grains of IMR4320 with the same 250 grain weight bullet that is depicted via drawing as a round nose soft point in Cartridges. No further bullet info is mentioned. No specific diameter is mentoned either.....nothing on cartridge overall length.....concerns certainly warranting specific verification.

Hopefully you have the beginnings of a ballpark estimate. I'm sure I'm not telling you anything you don't already know when I suggest that additional collaborative data and extra caution are very much warranted here.

Best of luck your way with getting your old rifle back in action! Looks like a fun project, so keep us posted on how you make out!

http://www.chuckhawks.com/35Win.htm

J Beard · Apr 13, 2013

Thanks Duke, but not quite it.
This is for 35 Winchester Self Loading (35WSL).
VERY different from 35 Win
A very anemic cartridge used exclusively in the Model 1905 Winchester.
Factory loads haven't been made since the 50's.
Mine was inherited from my wife's grandfather.
I have to make the brass by milling .38 special brass
Uses a 180gr .352 diameter bullet.
I have found all of the outside cartridge specs
I even have a few original rounds I can measure for comparison.
I have found bullets and dies, have plenty of 38 brass to work with.
Just need to figure out where to start with powder.
I have been researching this for some time and cant wait to try it out, it is a beautiful piece of machinery.
I will post my results when I get it on the range.
Thanks again

Uncle Duke · Apr 13, 2013

J Beard said:
Thanks Duke, but not quite it.
This is for 35 Winchester Self Loading (35WSL).
VERY different from 35 Win
A very anemic cartridge used exclusively in the Model 1905 Winchester.
Factory loads haven't been made since the 50's.
Mine was inherited from my wife's grandfather.
I have to make the brass by milling .38 special brass
Uses a 180gr .352 diameter bullet.
I have found all of the outside cartridge specs
I even have a few original rounds I can measure for comparison.
I have found bullets and dies, have plenty of 38 brass to work with.
Just need to figure out where to start with powder.
I have been researching this for some time and cant wait to try it out, it is a beautiful piece of machinery.
I will post my results when I get it on the range.
Thanks again

Well now, that just MIGHT make just a bit of a difference, huh? :sad20:

My bust, and my apology for the confusion, so let's try this again!

Cartridges of the World 4th edition shows the following for .35WSL (Winchester Self Loading)

180 grain: IMR 4227 powder 13.5 grains
180 grain: Alliant 2400 powder 13.0 grains

165 grain (LEAD) 2400 powder 8.0 grains (light load....must be single loaded in rifle)

Good Luck!

J Beard · Apr 14, 2013

Bingo!
Easy to confuse. No apology needed, I knew I wouldn't fit 50 grains in a .38 case.
Most have never heard of it. Modern books don't even list it.
I will start a little below that and work it up, I hear the powders have changed a little over the years.
Thanks for going back and looking again!

Biggfoot44 · Apr 14, 2013

Will check my collection of vintage manuals when get home.

J Beard · Apr 14, 2013

Thanks Bigfoot!

coopermania · Apr 14, 2013

J Beard said:
Bingo!
Easy to confuse. No apology needed, I knew I wouldn't fit 50 grains in a .38 case.
Most have never heard of it. Modern books don't even list it.
I will start a little below that and work it up, I hear the powders have changed a little over the years.
Thanks for going back and looking again!

Quailty Cartridge in Hollywood, Md has your brass in stock, its a little proud 38 bucks for 20.rounds , but the have it with the correct headstamp. I also will look later in my vintage.manuals and see what I find.

http://www.qual-cart.com/index.htm

J Beard · Apr 14, 2013

Thanks Coop
Bonus is Hollywood is only about 20 min from me.

You were also looking at 35 win
the 35 WSL is $62 for 50.... but they have it

ccrawford · Apr 17, 2013

This spreadsheet can be help for rare info. Row 721 has the data in Donnelly's Handloader's Manual of Cartridge Conversions, 4th Ed., Page 259 which refers to 180 grain bullet with 12.9 grains of 2400 accredited to Nonte.

Cartridges of the World, 12th Ed. lists on page 112 3 loads:
180 SP with 13.5 grains of IMR 4227 good for 1440 FPS
180 SP with 13.0 grains of 2400 for 1430 FPS
165 lead with 8.0 grains of 2400 for 920 FPS

I have not gotten around to the 3rd edition yet (1976), but, it lists the same data as the 12th. The 6th edition (1989) and the 1st Edition (1965) also list the same data as the 12th.

SKIP · Apr 17, 2013

I have a very old 1970 Lyman 45th edition which has a 351 Winchester self-loading data. Sorry if this the wrong cartridge.

ccrawford · Apr 17, 2013

I think it's this one.

Enjoy that old Rifle.
Criss

J Beard · Apr 18, 2013

Thanks ccrawford for the scan, link and other info. this thing is not easy to get info on.

Thanks Skip, but you are correct that is not the right info, the .351 WSL is the big brother to the .35 WSL. It too though is a cartridge that was made for only one gun.

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