Rep. Hudson to introduce Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act

GlocksAndPatriots · Nov 30, 2017

fightinbluhen51 said:
There are 25 blue states that have senator elections this coming season, and 11 of them voted for Trump. ETA, a lot of those blue democrats have states where Carry is an option for their citizens. I'm willing to be Mr. & Mrs. America don't want to turn over their self defense right at the state line.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-senate-races-of-2018/?utm_term=.2ecc829c3f38

That doesn't mean that they won't ultimately kowtow to Schumer. We're not the average person. Most people don't vote the issue.

clandestine · Nov 30, 2017

Senate needs to change the cloture vote to 51.

Fox123 · Nov 30, 2017

Neither side will because they know eventually the other party will be the majority

Schipperke · Nov 30, 2017

GlocksAndPatriots said:
That's right. And the fact is, demographic changes due to third world immigration means that the Democratic Senators are much more liberal than they were even 10 years ago. In fact, I'll go further to say that I don't think we'll ever have 60 votes on ANY issue that could be remotely construed as conservative. There will always be between 41-44 far left liberals in the Senate.

Not exclusively immigration. What are the birth rates by race or religion of native born. Why it amuses me so of how many right wingers are so anti abortion when the vast preponderance of those aborted would be Democrats or future felons.

GlocksAndPatriots · Nov 30, 2017

Schipperke said:
Not exclusively immigration. What are the birth rates by race or religion of native born. Why it amuses me so of how many right wingers are so anti abortion when the vast preponderance of those aborted would be Democrats or future felons.

I'm not anti-abortion. In fact, I think violent felons and the low IQ should be sterilized. In any case, it's basically exclusively immigration that has changed the demographics in places like northern VA.

Defense Rifle · Nov 30, 2017

There are about 10 Senate Democrats in states that Trump won, including WV, MT, IN, MI, OH, and PA. Many of whom come from states with pro-gun laws and states already with reciprocity...So Senate chances are better than ever, they may note vote for the bill but are likely to vote for cloture.

GlocksAndPatriots · Nov 30, 2017

Defense Rifle said:
There are about 10 Senate Democrats in states that Trump won, including WV, MT, IN, MI, OH, and PA. Many of whom come from states with pro-gun laws and states already with reciprocity...So Senate chances are better than ever, they may note vote for the bill but are likely to vote for cloture.

The same way they voted for cloture with respect to Gorsuch's nomination?

press1280 · Dec 1, 2017

Defense Rifle said:
There are about 10 Senate Democrats in states that Trump won, including WV, MT, IN, MI, OH, and PA. Many of whom come from states with pro-gun laws and states already with reciprocity...So Senate chances are better than ever, they may note vote for the bill but are likely to vote for cloture.

Chucky S will make the calculation and decide if it's worth having enough Senators vote against the bill to kill it (there's also the possibility of amendments which may change the equation too). I'm sure he'll "allow" the most vulnerable Dems to vote for it.
I don't see there being any difference between the cloture vote and passage vote. A vote for cloture is a vote for passage since I don't think any GOP will vote against it.

Bigfoot21075 · Dec 1, 2017

Schipperke said:
Not exclusively immigration. What are the birth rates by race or religion of native born. Why it amuses me so of how many right wingers are so anti abortion when the vast preponderance of those aborted would be Democrats or future felons.

I agree - abortion is democrat population control as terrible as that is....

GolfR · Dec 1, 2017

Personally, I don't think it matters which Democrats voted for reciprocity before or where they are from. The rift between Democrats and Republicans is so large right now that I can't see a single Democrat vote for this.

Now, I believe that a game could be played by including legislation in the bill similar to Cornyn's recent bill to "strengthen" the background check system. In my opinion this really isn't any new restrictions, it's just telling the armed forces that they have to follow through on requirements. This could give a few democrats the top cover they need to vote for reciprocity.

GlocksAndPatriots · Dec 1, 2017

GolfR said:
Personally, I don't think it matters which Democrats voted for reciprocity before or where they are from. The rift between Democrats and Republicans is so large right now that I can't see a single Democrat vote for this.

Now, I believe that a game could be played by including legislation in the bill similar to Cornyn's recent bill to "strengthen" the background check system. In my opinion this really isn't any new restrictions, it's just telling the armed forces that they have to follow through on requirements. This could give a few democrats the top cover they need to vote for reciprocity.

Agreed. Which means that Cornyn's insistence on keeping the bills separate makes even less sense.

swinokur · Dec 1, 2017

His insistence on keeping them separate tells me he doesn't actually support the bill to begin with.

j_h_smith · Dec 1, 2017

Skullduggery. Plain and simple.

GlocksAndPatriots · Dec 1, 2017

swinokur said:
His insistence on keeping them separate tells me he doesn't actually support the bill to begin with.

Right. Hopefully someone in the Senate insists on linking them.

Fox123 · Dec 1, 2017

swinokur said:
His insistence on keeping them separate tells me he doesn't actually support the bill to begin with.

This exactly.

It's theater.

Biggfoot44 · Dec 1, 2017

FWIW , a vote on Reciprosity will be more obvious to their constituents, than their manuevering on confirmations.

GlocksAndPatriots · Dec 1, 2017

Fox123 said:
This exactly.

It's theater.

Yep. His stated reason is that he doesn't want reciprocity to get in the way of the NICS fixes. In other words, the gun control measures are more important to him than the gun rights measures.

Gryphon · Dec 2, 2017

Passed favorably out of Committee. NRA says full House vote as early as next week.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20171201/us-house

rambling_one · Dec 2, 2017

Isn’t it ironic that a Maryland rep had so much input during the deliberations? It’s almost as though the gods are against us. Glad to see it passed out of committee.

swinokur · Dec 2, 2017

It’s Ratskins’s way of kissing DC’s ass as payback for Wrenn

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