New Jersey sues New Frontier over 100 rd magazine

Inigoes · Jun 19, 2019

Accusing a Las Vegas gun dealer of violating its state ban, New Jersey says in a complaint Wednesday that its undercover investigators were able to order a 100-round ammunition magazine over the internet.

https://www.courthousenews.com/nj-brings-suit-over-100-round-gun-mag-sold-online/

Alan3413 · Jun 19, 2019

The vendor isn't in NJ, so wouldn't be bound by their laws.

Isn't it the responsibility of the buyer to comply with all applicable laws?

RepublicOfFranklin · Jun 19, 2019

Under this logic can we file a class action against Jersey anytime one of their expats commits a crime out of state?

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CrabcakesAndFootball · Jun 19, 2019

No clue how this will shake out legally, but something tells me NJ could be deploying state resources more effectively elsewhere.

This was literally some LEO told to order mags from a bunch of different places until one shipped. FFS.

delaware_export · Jun 19, 2019

There is a reason they don’t charge an entry toll, and 2x to exit. (Excluding arrivals from ny)

IX-3 · Jun 19, 2019

Doesn’t that mean their “investigator” broke the law? If they try to say the investigator is a LEO than wouldn’t their be no law broken?

Blacksmith101 · Jun 19, 2019

This is why some companies won't sell ammo to people in Montgomery Co. and other companies refuse to do business in Maryland selling things that are legal because the juice isn't worth the squeeze. Watch Frosh copycat NJ and try to trap that company and others into shipping something to Maryland.

spoon059 · Jun 19, 2019

IX-3 said:
Doesn’t that mean their “investigator” broke the law? If they try to say the investigator is a LEO than wouldn’t their be no law broken?

Mind blown...

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HaveBlue · Jun 19, 2019

By that logic UPS would be the smuggling ring.

Would Nevada extradite to NJ?

New Frontier Armory has shown complete disregard for New Jersey consumers.....,” Paul R. Rodríguez, director of the Division of Consumer Affairs

How did this drone get past the 7th grade? Complete disregard? They are giving NJ consumers exactly what they want.

ground chuck · Jun 19, 2019

This is absurd!

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sgt23preston · Jun 20, 2019

Alan3413 said:
The vendor isn't in NJ, so wouldn't be bound by their laws.

Isn't it the responsibility of the buyer to comply with all applicable laws?

This is exactly why a lot of dealers refuse to ship anything to Merry-Land...

It's just not worth a possible law suit by a communist government...

It would cost more to defend a lawsuit that they could ever make...

And the communist government uses your tax money to finance their suits...

Business 101...

And most important, your neighbors continue to vote for this type of government...

lazarus · Jun 20, 2019

Alan3413 said:
The vendor isn't in NJ, so wouldn't be bound by their laws.

Isn't it the responsibility of the buyer to comply with all applicable laws?

No.

If they did business in to the state, they are subject to the laws of that state.

I am curious how this shook out. Did they actually ship to NJ? Was the payment information using a NJ address? Or was this a NJ officer who used non-NJ payment address and non-NJ shipping address, but they took possession in another state and drove it in to NJ and “Frontier broke NJ law because they should know when someone is a NJ resident without that resident providing and NJ address information”

ironpony · Jun 20, 2019

Can this soon relate to CAs new laws? So far I think their penalties are local only.

Rab1515 · Jun 20, 2019

Read the complaint your self here: https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/New-Frontier-Armory-Verified-Complaint.pdf

edit:
From the complaint it looks like Jersey wants the ban on advertising to extend to online, if you are NJ resident you cant even look at mags for sale. Additional they want to hold NFA responsible for enforcing NJ's law, which I do not believe they can do. NJ does not have jurisdiction in NV, when is where NFA is.

Elliotte · Jun 20, 2019

According to the complaint, the mags were paid for by credit card & shipped to an "undercover" NJ address.

MigraineMan · Jun 20, 2019

Elliotte said:
According to the complaint, the mags were paid for by credit card & shipped to an "undercover" NJ address.

What, like one in Pennsylvania?

marc0nline · Jun 20, 2019

"New Frontier Armory has shown complete disregard for New Jersey consumers and for our state’s consumer protection laws"... how are they protecting the consumer? Just like the Gestapo protected the Jews. (Too much...?) But seriously stop protecting us so much and chipping away our rights in the process.

Nathaniel · Jun 20, 2019

So then, Thoes undercover officers should also be charged, knowingly that it is illegal to purchases magazine within and by mailing in the state of New Jersey?

tsulli85 · Jun 20, 2019

Nathaniel said:
So then, Thoes undercover officers should also be charged, knowingly that it is illegal to purchases magazine within and by mailing in the state of New Jersey?

Isn't this some form of entrapment?

Glaron · Jun 20, 2019

marc0nline said:
But seriously stop protecting us so much and chipping away our rights in the process.

Land of the regulated, home of the safe spaces!!!!

AmeriKa is rocking it.

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