So what if Hogan wins a Second term?

Not_an_outlaw · May 9, 2018

CrazySanMan said:
I wouldn't call voting on 2A beliefs being a "single issue voter". The way you view the 2A is a great measure for the way you view the entire constitution and therefore the rule of law. If you think the second can be infringed, you also feel the first can be curtailed, the 4th can be ignored, the 14th shouldn't apply, etc.

Excellent

Schipperke · May 9, 2018

CrazySanMan said:
I wouldn't call voting on 2A beliefs being a "single issue voter". The way you view the 2A is a great measure for the way you view the entire constitution and therefore the rule of law. If you think the second can be infringed, you also feel the first can be curtailed, the 4th can be ignored, the 14th shouldn't apply, etc.

Who thinks that? People often conflate regulation and infringement. I had to pay a couple hundred for my rifle, is that infringement? Maryland is a state where the majority love regulations on all aspects of business and lives, so firearms are no different. The only thing to hang a hat on here, are the regulations passed legal? Many have been determined so. Other states require things kind of like our HQL, and have been challenged and upheld. Red Flag laws have been challenged and upheld. Banning ARs AKs was upheld. Don't like that, but is what it is. There are multiple situations I look at personally and socially effected by a politician , so yes I'll run out and vote for the gun grabbing R over the gun grabbing D.

Not_an_outlaw · May 9, 2018

Schipperke said:
http://www.wbaltv.com/article/2018-voters-guide-maryland-governors-race-gun-rights/20112303

Aren't they missing some candidates in that article, like Quinn?

WTF - "after-market attachments that effectively turn legal firearms into prohibited automatic weapons."

44man · May 9, 2018

Schipperke said:
Who thinks that? People often conflate regulation and infringement. I had to pay a couple hundred for my rifle, is that infringement? Maryland is a state where the majority love regulations on all aspects of business and lives, so firearms are no different. The only thing to hang a hat on here, are the regulations passed legal? Many have been determined so. Other states require things kind of like our HQL, and have been challenged and upheld. Red Flag laws have been challenged and upheld. Banning ARs AKs was upheld. Don't like that, but is what it is. There are multiple situations I look at personally and socially effected by a politician , so yes I'll run out and vote for the gun grabbing R over the gun grabbing D.

In the case of the 2a any regulation is infringement.

The founders had the most modern of weapons to defeat Britain and intended for us to have the same, no matter what others say. Read the writings of the founders and there can be no arguments

CrazySanMan · May 9, 2018

Schipperke said:
Who thinks that? People often conflate regulation and infringement. I had to pay a couple hundred for my rifle, is that infringement? Maryland is a state where the majority love regulations on all aspects of business and lives, so firearms are no different. The only thing to hang a hat on here, are the regulations passed legal? Many have been determined so. Other states require things kind of like our HQL, and have been challenged and upheld. Red Flag laws have been challenged and upheld. Banning ARs AKs was upheld. Don't like that, but is what it is. There are multiple situations I look at personally and socially effected by a politician , so yes I'll run out and vote for the gun grabbing R over the gun grabbing D.

Everything you mention has been challenged and upheld by liberal activist judges in lower courts, but none of them have gone to SCOTUS so they are all infringements until the SCOTUS says otherwise.

Are you saying you will overlook the actions of politicians if you think what they did is legal? What about taxes? Will you vote for politicians who constantly raise taxes too?

Looking at comments and actions taken from 2014 to today, I believe that Hogan is left of Colorado's governor Hickenlooper.

Schipperke · May 9, 2018

CrazySanMan said:
Everything you mention has been challenged and upheld by liberal activist judges in lower courts, but none of them have gone to SCOTUS so they are all infringements until the SCOTUS says otherwise.

Are you saying you will overlook the actions of politicians if you think what they did is legal? What about taxes? Will you vote for politicians who constantly raise taxes too?

Looking at comments and actions taken from 2014 to today, I believe that Hogan is left of Colorado's governor Hickenlooper.

I will vote for candidate who is more aligned with my interests and/or I feel better for the future of our state/country. We are given two viable choices, and I'll choose one. "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."

eruby · May 9, 2018

Schipperke said:
I will vote for candidate who is more aligned with my interests and/or I feel better for the future of our state/country. We are given two viable choices, and I'll choose one. "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."

Geddy Lee contacting lawyers as we speak.

Hogan tricked me into thinking he was even remotely pro-2A.

Schipperke · May 9, 2018

Hogan repeatedly promised throughout the campaign that he would not roll back the state’s gun control measures, and his spokesman Wednesday confirmed his position hasn’t changed.

http://www.dbknews.com/archives/article_f93d9482-7b3c-11e4-88dc-17e2902ecb9d.html

MDS Member(?) David Collins;
http://www.wbaltv.com/article/tv-ad-report-suggest-hogan-has-secret-agenda-over-guns/7089643

CrazySanMan · May 9, 2018

Schipperke said:
I will vote for candidate who is more aligned with my interests and/or I feel better for the future of our state/country. We are given two viable choices, and I'll choose one. "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."

You have more than two choices.

Schipperke · May 9, 2018

Definition of viable

1 a : capable of living a viable skin graft viable offspring
b of a fetus : having attained such form and development of organs as to be normally capable of surviving outside the uterus a 26-week old viable fetus
c : capable of growing or developing viable seeds viable eggs
2 a : capable of working, functioning, or developing adequately viable alternatives
b : capable of existence and development as an independent unit The colony is now a viable state.
c (1) : having a reasonable chance of succeeding a viable candidate (2) : financially sustainable a viable enterprise

We have a two party system, where it is extremely rare a candidate not nominated by our two vastly predominant parties is "viable".
Quinn or any other third party Maryland Gubernatorial candidate is a joke in the "viability" argument.

Not_an_outlaw · May 9, 2018

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CrazySanMan · May 9, 2018

Schipperke said:
We have a two party system, where it is extremely rare a candidate not nominated by our two vastly predominant parties is "viable".
Quinn or any other third party Maryland Gubernatorial candidate is a joke in the "viability" argument.

How has that "viability" argument been working out for you? Over the last three decades, is Maryland better off or worse?

danb · May 9, 2018

CrazySanMan said:
How has that "viability" argument been working out for you? Over the last three decades, is Maryland better off or worse?

Doesn't Colorado's governor's name rhyme with Chickenpooper?

Biggfoot44 · May 9, 2018

Viability got us Hogan .

Yes , I understand the Buckley rule, etc . A lot of the time, it's a good thing. IF one of the gruesome twosome is at all vaguely acceptable.

But this time in Maryland neither will be . And isn't any possibility of flipping the legislature . There are a considerable chunk of "us" who absolutely, positively won't vote for either Hogan or any of the Dem candidates running in the Primary.

It would be more helpful, albeit indirectly, to unite behind a 2A supporting 3rd Party candidate, than literally staying home, or writing in one's father a la Hogan .

Biggfoot44 · May 9, 2018

Just like the joke about not wanting to be in any Club that would accept you ;

In Maryland( & NJ, and Mass, and Cali, etc ) , in order to be "electable" , and candidate would have to change all their stances to the Dem platform in the attempt to get elected , and thereby refuiate any actual Republican or Conservative beliefs . Kind of killing a village to save it .

CrazySanMan · May 9, 2018

danb said:
Doesn't Colorado's governor's name rhyme with Chickenpooper?

Yes, and I believe, based on his statements and actions, that he is to the right of Hogan.

danb · May 9, 2018

Biggfoot44 said:
There are a considerable chunk of "us" who absolutely, positively won't vote for either Hogan or any of the Dem candidates running in the Primary.

It would be more helpful, albeit indirectly, to unite behind a 2A supporting 3rd Party candidate, than literally staying home, or writing in one's father a la Hogan .

Why, so the winner can say that there are only 25,000 of us? :lol2:

That would be supremely stupid and counterproductive.

It will only give the Dems in charge and GOP a license to ignore MSI and NRA because the perception would be that we are a marginal group.

I think that people here vastly overestimate how many people are 1-issue voters on the 2nd amendment. Most republicans simply are not, they look at a range of issues.

We are fighting a guerilla war, not a conventional one. First rule, dont fight battles you cannot win. 2nd rule, don't get entangled with far superior forces they will wipe you out.

At this stage, the goal is not to win, its 1st, not get wiped out, and 2nd, grow our numbers.

eruby · May 9, 2018

They won't lie to you about being out for themselves only.

sports89man7 · May 9, 2018

well when you have a democratic house and senate and a republican governor. things can get a little tricky. as far as voting for him im on the fence over it. the real problem is that the house and senate can strong arm hogan on bills, because they have the votes to override Hogan's vetos. Hogan in my opinion is not a true republican. he's more of a moderate and you really don't have a choice when voting this year. its either Hogan or a left wing scumbag democrat.

JaegerJason · May 9, 2018

Any of you kind Brits know of a good pro-2A forum? Thanks!

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