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  • Bikebreath

    R.I.P.
    MDS Supporter
    Jun 30, 2009
    14,836
    in the bowels of Baltimore
    One the one hand I expect that Maryland doesn't have the spine for actual confiscation, but on the other hand, what can I do to ready myself for the knock on my door. I don't plan to shoot anyone, but I will not comply with the current bills should they become law, so I guess I'll be taken away. I want to have plan of some kind.

    Do I being by talking to a lawyer?

    Do I need to put money away for mortgage while I'm incarcerated?

    Are there legal papers I need to draw up in preparation for this?

    I don't really know what to expect or questions beyond those above to ask. Is there some guidance already known so I can plan for this resistance?
     

    pilot25

    Ultimate Member
    Jul 13, 2016
    1,822
    No one is knocking on your door. Like NJs ban on mags there is no enforcement and no compliance. Its a stupid law but it will keep you from exercising your rights.

    Example, if something happens like you are driving to the range and get in an accident. The police do accident investigation and find your illegal whatever in the car then its lights out. The libs know you cannot take the thing anywhere so while there are no arrests they feel like they win because you cannot use your legally purchased firearm.

    Example 2, you get to the range and start having a good time. Who is to say there isn't someone else at the range who sees you and is going to turn you in or the range owner is worried they will lose their business if they see you and let you continue. Are you willing to risk it? Probably not, so there again, the libs win.
     

    welder516

    Deplorable Welder
    MDS Supporter
    Jun 8, 2013
    27,307
    Underground Bunker
    This is problematic on so many levels , going to the shooting range just got a bit more hairy .

    Looks like we will have many more "Home Museums" where we are the only ones to see them . Or like we are hiding Anne Frank
     

    randomuser

    Ultimate Member
    Nov 12, 2018
    5,775
    Baltimore County
    This is problematic on so many levels , going to the shooting range just got a bit more hairy .

    Looks like we will have many more "Home Museums" where we are the only ones to see them . Or like we are hiding Anne Frank

    It's an easy way to phase out guns. I mean, say I was willing to "not comply" and keep my guns. Would I give them to my kids when I get old? I wouldn't want them to catch a felony would I?

    How often do laws get repealed? Not often.

    We talk about scotus helping. How has that worked for ny, ct, nj, cali?

    Increase scotus to further anti gun movement:
    https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=232337

    Clearly there is a social justice warrior mentality sweeping the nation.
    The non socialists seem to be becoming the minority.

    We have the 2nd amendment, yet the infringements keep coming. They keep coming because the enforcers get their orders from those who made the unjust law.

    Hawaii semi automatic ban
    https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=232097
    Someone wrote "Sooner or later SCOTUS is going to have to weigh in."
    I ask: What year will that be and what do you do in the meantime?
    oh, and is that before or after scotus gets filled with more who are anit?

    Another thread titled:
    "House Democrats Plan Vote to Criminalize Private Gun Sales This Week"

    Now, they can keep making these and keep making these... even if only 1 of 10 get through, they will just put up 100, then another 100, then another 100.

    The state has unlimited funds from our pockets to continue this fight.

    We can vote them out of office. How has that worked out?

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    Is there a way to actually bring charges against those in office who violate their oath and tie them up in court and make them spend their personal money on defense so that they for once are on the defense instead of on the offense?
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    You go on about your business like nothing has changed. These "laws" are meant to do exactly what the above posts say...scare you so bad you never take your firearms out of the safe. MSP isn't going to be sitting in the parking lot of your range looking to inspect your guns...and if they ask to you have the right to say no..They have no right to look at anything...They can ask you questions which you have zero obligation to answer. Get a business card made that says NO QUESTIONS ANSWERED and hand it to them if they ask.
     

    WeaponsCollector

    EXTREME GUN OWNER
    Mar 30, 2009
    12,120
    Southern MD
    I'm no lawyer but I think most people who choose to live like they're in a free country will be fine, law enforcement won't be sending teams of jackboot thugs to shooting ranges and people's homes to check for compliance(at least not right away).... But if you get arrested for another crime the new laws will probably be used as an excuse to take away your property and give you more charges.
     

    Nobody

    Ultimate Member
    Jan 15, 2009
    2,810
    What about those with ccw. If i do not register i can be denied...correct?

    Nobody
     

    dist1646

    Ultimate Member
    May 1, 2012
    8,758
    Eldersburg
    "What happens if I do not comply?"
    Liberals will be forced to do more laundry from soiling their panties!:D

    Liberty exists when rough men are prepared and willing to defend it.
     

    randomuser

    Ultimate Member
    Nov 12, 2018
    5,775
    Baltimore County
    It only works when people actually go to the polls and vote.

    I vote, but feel my vote is wasted. Hear me out on this.

    Lets say that this is true, I have not fact checked myself, but for conversation sake.
    https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/m...gistration-by-the-numbers-20181015-story.html

    » 3,975,309: The number of active registered voters in Maryland, as of Sept. 30 — just a couple thousand short of the state record of 3,977,637.

    » 2-to-1: The advantage Democrats continue to hold over Republicans in Maryland.

    So, if you have every republican vote and only 51% of the democrats vote, Republicans still loose.

    Even if we win we get hogan. It's like choosing between having explosive diarrhea or projectile vomiting.



    ***my point is that when you are outnumbered in the vote it should affect programs, taxes etc...not constitutional rights. By passing the laws that politicians pass they are going after your constitutional rights. Surely, that must be criminal and punishable right?

    Imo, the act of writing an unconstitutional law is intent. It's not different than one person threatening another.
     

    Occam

    Not Even ONE Indictment
    MDS Supporter
    Feb 24, 2018
    20,239
    Montgomery County
    I vote, but feel my vote is wasted. Hear me out on this.

    Lets say that this is true, I have not fact checked myself, but for conversation sake.
    https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/m...gistration-by-the-numbers-20181015-story.html

    » 3,975,309: The number of active registered voters in Maryland, as of Sept. 30 — just a couple thousand short of the state record of 3,977,637.

    » 2-to-1: The advantage Democrats continue to hold over Republicans in Maryland.

    So, if you have every republican vote and only 51% of the democrats vote, Republicans still loose.

    Even if we win we get hogan. It's like choosing between having explosive diarrhea or projectile vomiting.



    ***my point is that when you are outnumbered in the vote it should affect programs, taxes etc...not constitutional rights. By passing the laws that politicians pass they are going after your constitutional rights. Surely, that must be criminal and punishable right?

    Imo, the act of writing an unconstitutional law is intent. It's not different than one person threatening another.

    You're right about the numbers. In Maryland, they are insurmountable and will only get worse, demographically. But the whole "writing unconstitutional laws" part is more nuanced. Laws have many times been written and found later to be unconstitutional. That's the point of the long, grinding path to the SCOTUS. But all a legislator has to say is, "Well, it seemed constitutional to me." There's no intent to commit some act of unconstitutionality, there's only them saying, "Well, denying you an eeeeevil weapon of war doesn't stop you from your second amendment protected duck hunting with a single-shot shotgun." It doesn't matter that they're making (or pretending to make) a complete misunderstanding of the bill of rights, and the 2A in particular. They still have cover to write such bills and pass them.
     

    welder516

    Deplorable Welder
    MDS Supporter
    Jun 8, 2013
    27,307
    Underground Bunker
    You go on about your business like nothing has changed. These "laws" are meant to do exactly what the above posts say...scare you so bad you never take your firearms out of the safe. MSP isn't going to be sitting in the parking lot of your range looking to inspect your guns...and if they ask to you have the right to say no..They have no right to look at anything...They can ask you questions which you have zero obligation to answer. Get a business card made that says NO QUESTIONS ANSWERED and hand it to them if they ask.

    Yes you are right , they will be the enemy and they will get zero from me . The politicians that want money from me can kiss my azz until i see some actions that would warrant me giving them money .
     

    randomuser

    Ultimate Member
    Nov 12, 2018
    5,775
    Baltimore County
    Yes you are right , they will be the enemy and they will get zero from me . The politicians that want money from me can kiss my azz until i see some actions that would warrant me giving them money .

    While I agree and would like to withhold giving money to them, they take it from me anyway. Unfortunately, I'm not allowed to vote with my money. If I tried, they would freeze my accounts and send men with guns to seize my property.
     
    No one is going to come knocking or kicking in your door unless you are red flagged or someone reports you for having illegal firearms. So it would be best to keep quiet about what you have and pray that you aren't red flagged over a relationship gone bad or neighborly dispute etc.

    Also, dont put all of your eggs in one basket. Keep some of your firearms in storage, buried in the back yard, with a friend you can trust or at a place the police dont know about. Once they are taken you aren't ever getting them back.
     
    When the 2A media finds that few if any have complied, it will send a clear message to the liberals like it did in NJ, NY, CT and other commie states...It's unlikely that confiscation will be ordered...mainly because liberals are cowards and they will be afraid that gun owners will take the fight directly to them...which we will....
     

    pbharvey

    Habitual Testifier
    MDS Supporter
    Dec 27, 2012
    30,158
    Maybe you can’t renew any state professional licenses you have, maybe you can’t renew your car registration and drivers license, maybe you can’t get a state tax refund, maybe you become a marked man until you comply.
     

    Odarlin1

    Ultimate Member
    It's an easy way to phase out guns. I mean, say I was willing to "not comply" and keep my guns. Would I give them to my kids when I get old? I wouldn't want them to catch a felony would I?

    How often do laws get repealed? Not often.

    We talk about scotus helping. How has that worked for ny, ct, nj, cali?

    Increase scotus to further anti gun movement:
    https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=232337

    Clearly there is a social justice warrior mentality sweeping the nation.
    The non socialists seem to be becoming the minority.

    We have the 2nd amendment, yet the infringements keep coming. They keep coming because the enforcers get their orders from those who made the unjust law.

    Hawaii semi automatic ban
    https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=232097
    Someone wrote "Sooner or later SCOTUS is going to have to weigh in."
    I ask: What year will that be and what do you do in the meantime?
    oh, and is that before or after scotus gets filled with more who are anit?

    Another thread titled:
    "House Democrats Plan Vote to Criminalize Private Gun Sales This Week"

    Now, they can keep making these and keep making these... even if only 1 of 10 get through, they will just put up 100, then another 100, then another 100.

    The state has unlimited funds from our pockets to continue this fight.

    We can vote them out of office. How has that worked out?

    ***
    ***
    Is there a way to actually bring charges against those in office who violate their oath and tie them up in court and make them spend their personal money on defense so that they for once are on the defense instead of on the offense?
    ***
    ***

    Yes. A revolt would be difficult because there is so much to risk - loss of jobs home, family, time incarcerated. I mean who wants to go through all that? I suggest, however, it we weren't so attached to our material lives, and cherished our freedoms more, we would stop working, stop paying taxes for a month. One Month and this country would be in turmoil. No money being made, no money being spent NO TAXES being collected. It's all a huge risk.

    Stop the world, I want to get off.

    I don't believe we can bring Oath breakers to court. If there are recall processes, we can do that. Many elected officials have no recall process - except at the ballot box. I believe they are exempt from civil liability for any matters they decide while in office as it is always assumed they are acting within the best interests of the public they were elected to SERVE.

    However, I could be wrong.
     

    pilot25

    Ultimate Member
    Jul 13, 2016
    1,822
    I vote, but feel my vote is wasted. Hear me out on this.

    Lets say that this is true, I have not fact checked myself, but for conversation sake.
    https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/m...gistration-by-the-numbers-20181015-story.html

    » 3,975,309: The number of active registered voters in Maryland, as of Sept. 30 — just a couple thousand short of the state record of 3,977,637.

    » 2-to-1: The advantage Democrats continue to hold over Republicans in Maryland.

    So, if you have every republican vote and only 51% of the democrats vote, Republicans still loose.

    Even if we win we get hogan. It's like choosing between having explosive diarrhea or projectile vomiting.



    ***my point is that when you are outnumbered in the vote it should affect programs, taxes etc...not constitutional rights. By passing the laws that politicians pass they are going after your constitutional rights. Surely, that must be criminal and punishable right?

    Imo, the act of writing an unconstitutional law is intent. It's not different than one person threatening another.

    I agree but registered voters vs. eligible voters is the key. What will it take for people to wake up?
     

    welder516

    Deplorable Welder
    MDS Supporter
    Jun 8, 2013
    27,307
    Underground Bunker
    While I agree and would like to withhold giving money to them, they take it from me anyway. Unfortunately, I'm not allowed to vote with my money. If I tried, they would freeze my accounts and send men with guns to seize my property.

    I understand your premise , mine was at election time asking for hand-outs .
     

    ROBAR35

    Living the farm life
    May 20, 2010
    1,838
    Howard Co.
    SB281 was the last straw for me. I will not comply, I don’t give a flying crap what they pass from this point forward. Had enough :mad54:
     

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