Handgun Transfer at MSP Barracks
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Greg621
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Thank You for this post, I'm doing a transfer at an MSP Barracks this week & didn't have a clue as the process went. All of my previous transfers were handled by an FFL
As a slight variation on Rack's excellent "here's how it goes" write up ... the last time I did this, the Trooper wanted to be handed car keys so he could walk out by himself to find the (UNLOADED, NO AMMO PRESENT!) pistol in a case. He said that his expectation was that the case would have a padlock and/or that there would be a typical cable-through gun lock or other trigger lock in place. The seller was expecting this (as he usually did this at the same barracks) and handed the Trooper his car keys and the keys to the pistol case. Told the Trooper he'd find the case under a cover on the floor of the rear passenger seat (a no-trunk scenario, in this case). Trooper fetched the gun for the serial number ritual, but handed it back (locked up) for the seller to take away with him as we left the barracks. Seller (a gunsmith) said he'd never seen a trooper at that barracks want the seller as an escort out to the car - they always want to do that on their own. Seems like every barracks has a slightly different culture on this process. Just be super-duper sure that when a Trooper walks out to your car, that there's nothing whatsoever to find there that will give them something else to think or worry about.
armed_economist
Active Member
- Dec 4, 2017
- 429
So these individual-to-individual sales or transfers need a barrack or a gun shop for background checks, regardless of if it's a handgun or long gun (unregulated by MD)?
Regulated (handguns) only
armed_economist
Active Member
- Dec 4, 2017
- 429
Thanks. So in MD there is no background check needed either with the FBI NICS or MSP for personal sales of unregulated guns?
j_h_smith
Ultimate Member
- Jul 28, 2007
- 28,516
No, unregulated long guns are cash and carry. As long as you have no reason to believe that the buyer is a prohibited person or not a Maryland resident. Some people like see a driver's license and/or give a receipt for peace of mind.
armed_economist
Active Member
- Dec 4, 2017
- 429
Please forgive my ignorance on our laws. That's quite surprising actually.
If a MD resident wants to sell or gift a gun to an out of state person, it will have to go through a dealer in the buyers' state, if that state requires background checks on individual sales?
Should be able to go through an FFL in either state, along with NICS check.
danb
dont be a dumbass
selling to someone out of state = federal jurisdiction. ergo, FFL. handgun sales rules are different than rifle sales rules.
selling to someone within state = state law. In MD, rifles and shotguns are (except for the evil banned ones) unregulated, ergo cash and carry. No 4473 (4473 is a federal form). My advice is to get a DL to prove residence, and a receipt. Dont sell it to someone who you think is a prohibited person. You can, if you choose, attempt to look them up in MD Case search.
selling to someone within state = state law. In MD, rifles and shotguns are (except for the evil banned ones) unregulated, ergo cash and carry. No 4473 (4473 is a federal form). My advice is to get a DL to prove residence, and a receipt. Dont sell it to someone who you think is a prohibited person. You can, if you choose, attempt to look them up in MD Case search.
This demand by the MSP trooper to obtain your keys and go alone to your vehicle to find a locked case firearm is BULLSH*T!
This is what I would call MSP TRANSFER SUPPRESSION--doing everything they can to throw up obstacles to what should be a simple process. They do this because some Troopers resent having to conduct this transfer service.
As long as you transport a firearm to or from the MSP barracks in a case without ammo you are go to go. You can lock it if you wish, but if the Trooper demands access to your vehicle by himself/herself to check make, model and serial number...STOP...and request that you be allowed to accompany the Trooper to the vehicle. If he/she refuses, ask for a Supervisor. He/She will likely say he/she is the Supervisor whether true or not.
Of course it is your choice to continue with the process by handing over your keys, but don't accept the "locked case" demand.
The Trooper Obstacle Course described above is a RARE in my experience, so don't let that detour you away from this less expensive alternative to transferring.
To find out if you might be facing a Gamer Trooper, call ahead and ask the Desk Trooper answering the phone how they will obtain the make, model and serial number, then make your plans. If you get a Gamer, reschedule the MSP Barrack visit when that Trooper is not there.
If you go through an FFL, unregulated or regulated gets checked.. Regulated sales through MSP Barracks are checked. Unregulated (Non regulated firearms) private sales it is up to the seller if they want to use an FFL (who can perform a background check, you may need to place it on consignment) , or take it on the buyer's word (license/bill of sale). Most private sales occur between known/vouched people.
FFLs vary, so getting them to perform background checks will cost whatever they choose to charge.
Q
Rack: Yeah, I’m sure that’s not typical, but the smith I happened to be buying from seemed acclimated to that local barracks’ way of doing things. It seemed pretty heavy handed to me, but he (the seller) was obviously suffering BGOS and didn’t want anything to risk his businsss standing. When I’ve done this at the Montrose barracks, it was more or less exactly as you describe - a far more rational approach.
Amazing a thread started in 2017 is still followed over 1 year later with experts still chiming in with their knowledge. Pertinent or not.
Yeah, I know, nobody (else) is ever an expert. But telling people what we’ve actually experienced while interacting with the MSP is just that: relaying the facts of those events. Did you find that misleading or inappropriate in some way? I’m glad my seller knew what to expect at the nearby barracks he frequents, regardless of what you think of their habits there or of me for mentioning it.
Good thing this knowledge spans the time of a whole year. Nothing never changes.
Zorros
Ultimate Member
Giving car keys sounds like giving consent to sesrch your car. Maybe some criminal defense lawyer will speak up on this.
Hawkeye
The Leatherstocking
- Jan 29, 2009
- 3,971
Yup. Screw that. I'm not consenting to a search of my car by handing over my keys because some asshat Trooper doesn't want to do the process properly.
What barracks was this? Do you remember the Trooper's name?
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