Mike Smigiel's thoughts on Hogan

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  • teratos

    My hair is amazing
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    There are some drugs that work by blocking receptors in the brain, mimicking other molecules which produce undesirable effects. By gumming up the works with a fake molecule, you prevent or lessen the undesirable effect. I think Narcan works that way, as well as many antidepressants.

    Or think of it like fixing your daughter up with a gay guy for the prom...

    I think of Hogan as our cockblocker.

    Well stated.
     

    Occam

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    Feb 24, 2018
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    The only hope is the SCOTUS. Part of me thinks Jealous speeds up that process.

    True on the court, and maybe true on Jealous. But the problem is (even if that were to go really well, despite the years it would take to grind out), there are dozens of other fronts on which the Jealous recipe for a socialist utopia Maryland would wreck lives and businesses across the state. We talk mostly 2A here, but there's so much more to it than that. The 2A stuff can still face SCOTUS under a Hogan administration, but the tax, entitlement, regulatory, law enforcement, immigration and other matters will still be gruesome. For years. And possibly in unrecoverable ways for many of us.

    It's hard to want to throw all of that on the socialist bonfire just so we can make some specific 2A issues just a little more stark perhaps a little bit quicker. And still without a guarantee it would all work out.
     

    TexDefender

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    Feb 28, 2017
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    I think he's talking about, " If you do what you've always done, then you'll get what you've always got."
    That may be so, but the reality is either Ben Jealous is going to win or Hogan will win if we can pull enough Republicans and independents to vote for him. So you lose all at once or you can forestall it until the next election. Because the left is never going to give in on getting rid of firearms.

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    TexDefender

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    This thought process is exactly why the state is a lost cause.
    Solidifying any brand of ideology or politics that disregards several essential liberties without hesitation is not nor will it ever be a win.
    So your solution is to leave. What happens when they come to the state you move to? And the next and the next?

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    TexDefender

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    http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/opinion/ac-ce-column-larry-hogan-20180721-story.html

    Oh my. Can the turd get any better?? What, EXACTLY, is the difference between Hogan and ANY other anti out there? Vote for the turd if you wish, but stop claiming to support gun rights. Wake up folks!
    I would rather not lose everything. A famous person once said something along the lines of I would rather keep 80% of something and go back and fight for the other 20%, than to lose everything.

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    East2West

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    So your solution is to leave. What happens when they come to the state you move to? And the next and the next?

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    If we took the progressive approach and began congregating in new states like WV, KY, TN, etc you could have conservative enclaves for several generations. Dont be where the liberals want to be if you care about freedom.
     

    teratos

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    This thought process is exactly why the state is a lost cause.
    Solidifying any brand of ideology or politics that disregards several essential liberties without hesitation is not nor will it ever be a win.

    I don't think you understand what "little r" republicanism is.
     

    CrazySanMan

    2013'er
    Mar 4, 2013
    11,390
    Colorful Colorado
    Yep, so in the end the reality it's Hogan or Jealous. I will take Hogan.

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    That's why today you need to prepare for the elections in 2022 and 2026. Picking Hogan is only going to ensure you have a nice sh!t sandwich to bite into in 2022. The "lesser of two evils" voting strategy favored by Maryland republicans is just as responsible for destroying Maryland as the strong democrat majority is.

    Albert-Einstein-Insanity.jpg
     

    Boondock Saint

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    Dec 11, 2008
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    Some thoughts for those attending the Buckley school:

    1. If the left is becoming increasingly more rabid and open about their intentions, they will support candidates who speak to their particular brand of foaming-at-the-mouth delusions. See openly socialist candidates like Jealous, Ocasio-Cortez, and Bernie to a lesser extent.

    2. Political animals on the right view this as an opportunity to grab at the center and lock up large chunks of independent and not-so-loony left leaning voters, operating under the assumption that there are more votes to be gained from the center than there are to be lost from their base. See milquetoast "conservative" candidates like Larry Hogan, Mitt Romney, John McCain.

    3. If the left continues their steady advance to the left, and opportunists in what once constituted the conservative party continue to grab at center, where does that leave our political spectrum? The whole thing shifts to the left.

    Look at the shift in politics in your lifetime. I'm not a graybeard (well, I am partly, but I'm not that old, shut up...), but most all of us remember Slick Willy's State of the Union address in 1995, practically railing against illegal immigration and talking something that resembled common sense on the matter. That was perfectly fair game for the most liberal president in 15 years. Here we are 23 years later and that same talk is now reserved for racist, small-minded bigots. What happened?

    The gradual shift over time is practically imperceptible in the narrow view. Zooming out to view it more broadly over years and decades, the shift is quite evident at all levels of our government. The entire conversation has moved to left.

    If the "conservative" party can't or won't start speaking to and acting on core principles that we hold dear, the leftward shift will continue unchecked, and narcissistic animals (read: all politicians) will continue to fill that vacuum in what is presently the middle, but a generation ago was left leaning, and a generation prior to that was practically a Communist plot to overthrow America. Would JFK be a Democrat today?

    Absent a return to freedom and liberty by the "conservative" party, the Buckley principle will continually take us to the left. The cycle has to be broken somehow. If the party critters won't do it, the voters must. This game is much longer than 1-2 elections. The left knows it, has known it for a century or more, and patiently acts on it. Meanwhile, we continue to spin our wheels and get locked into the false choice that is shamelessly promoted by both parties (who largely have the the same agenda - more power for themselves, less for us), and the cycle perpetuates itself.

    The politics of fear, once again, always as it ever was. The chocolate ration has always been 10 grams.
     

    TexDefender

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    Feb 28, 2017
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    That's why today you need to prepare for the elections in 2022 and 2026. Picking Hogan is only going to ensure you have a nice sh!t sandwich to bite into in 2022. The "lesser of two evils" voting strategy favored by Maryland republicans is just as responsible for destroying Maryland as the strong democrat majority is.

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    I disagree. It's pretty clear how many people in Maryland feel regarding gun control, that hasn't changed anything. You moved out of the state, you choose to leave. I have to live here for now, I'm more worried about loosing everything to this socialist, which will happen.
     

    casualmadness

    Man about town
    Jun 4, 2012
    2,227
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    Some thoughts for those attending the Buckley school:

    1. If the left is becoming increasingly more rabid and open about their intentions, they will support candidates who speak to their particular brand of foaming-at-the-mouth delusions. See openly socialist candidates like Jealous, Ocasio-Cortez, and Bernie to a lesser extent.

    2. Political animals on the right view this as an opportunity to grab at the center and lock up large chunks of independent and not-so-loony left leaning voters, operating under the assumption that there are most votes to be gained from the center than there are to be lost from their base. See milquetoast "conservative" candidates like Larry Hogan, Mitt Romney, John McCain.

    3. If the left continues their steady advance to the left, and opportunists in what once constituted the conservative party continue to grab at center, where does that leave our political spectrum? The whole thing shifts to the left.

    Look at the shift in politics in your lifetime. I'm not a graybeard (well, I am partly, but I'm not that old, shut up...), but most all of us remember Slick Willy's State of the Union address in 1995, practically railing against illegal immigration and talking something that resembled common sense on the matter. That was perfectly fair game for the most liberal president in 15 years. Here we are 23 years later and that same talk is now reserved for racist, small-minded bigots. What happened?

    The gradual shift over time is practically imperceptible in the narrow view. Zooming out to view it more broadly over years and decades, the shift is quite evident at all levels of our government. The entire conversation has moved to left.

    If the "conservative" party can't or won't start speaking to and acting on core principles that we hold dear, the leftward shift will continue unchecked, and narcissistic animals (read: all politicians) will continue to fill that vacuum in the present middle, which a generation ago was left leaning, and a generation prior to that was practically a Communist plot to overthrow America. Would JFK be a Democrat today?

    Absent a return to freedom and liberty by the "conservative" party, the Buckley principle will continually take us to the left. The cycle has to be broken somehow. If the party critters won't do it, the voters must. This game is much longer than 1-2 elections. The left knows it, has known it for a century or more, and patiently acts on it.

    Maybe one of the smartest posts I've read on MDS. You're right-Clinton was all about keeping the illegals out and welfare reform and even had his face on a confederate flag! But these days? No way that dog will hunt. Yes, the whole enchilada has moved left (can I say enchilada? Maybe that's racist.) I don't envy people in MD. I think Hogan is a first class turd and I would never support him. But I also recognize that Jealous is far worse. I'm glad I don't "have" to make the decision. Hey I'm in VA-I have my own shitty governor to deal with!
     

    TexDefender

    Ultimate Member
    Feb 28, 2017
    1,572
    Some thoughts for those attending the Buckley school:

    1. If the left is becoming increasingly more rabid and open about their intentions, they will support candidates who speak to their particular brand of foaming-at-the-mouth delusions. See openly socialist candidates like Jealous, Ocasio-Cortez, and Bernie to a lesser extent.

    2. Political animals on the right view this as an opportunity to grab at the center and lock up large chunks of independent and not-so-loony left leaning voters, operating under the assumption that there are most votes to be gained from the center than there are to be lost from their base. See milquetoast "conservative" candidates like Larry Hogan, Mitt Romney, John McCain.

    3. If the left continues their steady advance to the left, and opportunists in what once constituted the conservative party continue to grab at center, where does that leave our political spectrum? The whole thing shifts to the left.

    Look at the shift in politics in your lifetime. I'm not a graybeard (well, I am partly, but I'm not that old, shut up...), but most all of us remember Slick Willy's State of the Union address in 1995, practically railing against illegal immigration and talking something that resembled common sense on the matter. That was perfectly fair game for the most liberal president in 15 years. Here we are 23 years later and that same talk is now reserved for racist, small-minded bigots. What happened?

    The gradual shift over time is practically imperceptible in the narrow view. Zooming out to view it more broadly over years and decades, the shift is quite evident at all levels of our government. The entire conversation has moved to left.

    If the "conservative" party can't or won't start speaking to and acting on core principles that we hold dear, the leftward shift will continue unchecked, and narcissistic animals (read: all politicians) will continue to fill that vacuum in the present middle, which a generation ago was left leaning, and a generation prior to that was practically a Communist plot to overthrow America. Would JFK be a Democrat today?

    Absent a return to freedom and liberty by the "conservative" party, the Buckley principle will continually take us to the left. The cycle has to be broken somehow. If the party critters won't do it, the voters must. This game is much longer than 1-2 elections. The left knows it, has known it for a century or more, and patiently acts on it. Meanwhile, we continue to spin our wheels and get locked into the false choice that is shamelessly promoted by both parties (who largely have the the same agenda - more power for themselves, less for us), and the cycle perpetuates itself.

    The politics of fear, once again, always as it ever was. The chocolate ration has always been 10 grams.

    No, they just simply pit us against each other. Maryland didn't become like this overnight, it will not change overnight. We were have to deal with the here and now. We need to groom candidates for the future at the same time. We have to get the Republican party to invest in Maryland. We have to explain rationally our positions. We have to take back the media and things like that which espouse to liberal ideas.
     

    CrazySanMan

    2013'er
    Mar 4, 2013
    11,390
    Colorful Colorado
    I disagree. It's pretty clear how many people in Maryland feel regarding gun control, that hasn't changed anything. You moved out of the state, you choose to leave. I have to live here for now, I'm more worried about loosing everything to this socialist, which will happen.

    Losing everything to a socialist is going to happen. The lesser of two evils voting makes it so. If not this election it will be the next, so long as the Maryland republican voters refuse to take off their blinders and continue enabling it to happen.
     

    CrazySanMan

    2013'er
    Mar 4, 2013
    11,390
    Colorful Colorado
    No, they just simply pit us against each other. Maryland didn't become like this overnight, it will not change overnight. We were have to deal with the here and now. We need to groom candidates for the future at the same time. We have to get the Republican party to invest in Maryland. We have to explain rationally our positions. We have to take back the media and things like that which espouse to liberal ideas.

    I agree 100% and by voting for Hogan you do none of those things, you only ensure a poor candidate for 2022.
     

    MrsRab1515

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    Nov 27, 2017
    116
    All over the dang state
    If Hogan wins this election, he will be the first two-term Republican governor in decades. How is that not a step forward? Re-electing Hogan means Republicans actually have a chance in MD. Re-electing Hogan means we have a shot at drawing better districts after the 2020 census, allowing more conservative candidates to actually get elected downballot. Re-electing Hogan means we get to tread water long enough to make some headway on taking the state away from the Democrats.

    Do not let perfect become the enemy of good. We'd be stupid not to take the best chance we have in MD. Some of us don't have the luxury of being able to pick up and move after November.
     

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