sgt23preston
USMC LLA. NRA Life Member
This was always a Dog & Pony Show...
No ONE ever wanted it to pass...
"Just make it look like we tried"...
No ONE ever wanted it to pass...
"Just make it look like we tried"...
This was always a Dog & Pony Show...
No ONE ever wanted it to pass...
"Just make it look like we tried"...
This was always a Dog & Pony Show...
No ONE ever wanted it to pass...
"Just make it look like we tried"...
I like how the number was as high as 55 senators. We only hold 51 seats.
That means 4 Democrats were allowed to cross over. Mad math skills right there.
I can imagine Joe Machin and Heidi Heitkamp being two of them. Doug Jones from Alabama would have been a smart play too. With him just coming into the senate .
Can't put my finger on the fourth crossover.
It ain't over till the fat lady sings.
Shall issue red states with Dem senators need to pull their weight.
If McConnell is convinced they won’t vote for cloture he should grow some balls and change the d*mn rules. The D,s played those games when they had a majority.
The Dems changed the rule on Judicial nominees to ram some of them through, but left it in place for the USSC and all other legislative issues. McConnell changed it for the USSC to get Garland through, but left it in place for all other legislative business. Kill the quorum call and the majority in the Senate is unstoppable. On 51 votes, the majority can outlaw anything they want and we can not rely on the USSC to overturn it. There is a chance of losing the House in 2018 and frankly the Senate is a lot closer than it should be. The Dems COULD control everything by January of 2021. I don't want Schumer and Feinstein writing gun control legislation and knowing they can pass it with a simple majority.
Patrick is a former President of MSI who started the original Wrenn thread
https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=175114&highlight=patrick
So there are multiple issues here, but the TL;DR version is, "The GOP could make this law if they wanted to make it law."
Pro-2A bills can become law by attaching them as amendments to "must pass" bills. In the case of this Congress, you will see some serious infrastructure money trading hands. Dems want that money, and they will take the strings the GOP attach to it.
But, aren't amendments also subject to filibusters? Eh...not on the big bills.
Here's how it works:
The leadership in each party decide what amendments are included in the sausage-making party. It's usually high-priority stuff.
- Bill $$$ spending/authorization bill needs to pass for some reason or another.
- Everyone wants in on the bill, and wants to attach their special amendment on it, usually because the bill won't otherwise pass.
- Filibuster of amendments...or not. You see the minority party also wants amendments to attach. So they...
- Broker a deal with the majority where each side is allowed 2/4/6/10 amendments that are guaranteed a straight up/down vote, under a suspension of the rules. That means those amendments cannot be filibustered.
- Votes commence, and hilarity ensues.
Here is why National Reciprocity is not "high-priority" for the GOP:
The only way reciprocity passes is if we The People call them on their ******** when they say, "If it weren't for those darn Democrats, we'd have it. Now why don't you open your wallets and help us win in 2018?"
- A lot of GOP establishment types don't like "gun people".
- Senate mid-terms are due in 2018, and with the right turnout the GOP can pick up Senate seats sufficient to force cloture on a filibuster. Pure power, right there.
- The GOPe uses gun issues as a way to drive votes and donations.
- If Reciprocity passes today, then under the GOPe theory there is zero reason for "gun people" to show up and vote, or to donate resources to the GOP.
There will be bills. They will allow amendments. It will be up to us to force our way into those votes.
Oh, and if anyone thinks the NRA hasn't played this same game they are nuts. You'll need to squeeze a lot of pressure points this year to forward your civil rights.