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  • welder516

    Deplorable Welder
    MDS Supporter
    Jun 8, 2013
    27,307
    Underground Bunker
    I had mentioned in another post that you have to be careful of the anti-gunner tactics anymore. There are some wing nuts out there, maybe a former "relation" that could target you with false claims/threats which you may have to defend yourself. Any vehicle decals denoting a fan of firearms could set you up to be targeted. Keep a low profile

    That is what scares me in the current form as well as an expanded form to come next GMA in Jan


    Right now you could have a disagreement with a cop and tell him to get off your property and call him a couple un-kind words and maybe he can hit the judge up to Flag you .
    I worry about this as retribution for people we don't like or care for .:mad54:
     

    cantstop

    Pentultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    Aug 10, 2012
    8,161
    MD
    I believe the correct flag for this law has always been

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    Hawkeye

    The Leatherstocking
    Jan 29, 2009
    3,971
    Too bad you see it that way. That note is out of context. Defensive in nature. I'm surprised it bothered you so much that you had to go find it.

    It didn't bother me. You made the claim that people hadn't said negative things about people who don't come to PP events, and I just went and looked up the evidence, that's all.

    I don't know you or what you do for the second amendment. I know that whatever I do, it is not enough compared to those that have lost their lives defending it.

    I'm not going to get into a dick measuring contest over this. We all do what we can do, when and how we can do it.

    I don't think there is a reimbursement clause in the law if they choose not to return your property.

    There is not.

    The law reads:
    Maryland PSC §5–608 said:
    (1) On expiration or termination of an extreme risk protective order, a law enforcement agency that holds any firearm or ammunition surrendered or seized in accordance with the expired or terminated order shall notify the respondent that the respondent may request the return of the firearm or ammunition.

    (2) A law enforcement agency shall return a firearm or ammunition to a respondent only after the law enforcement agency verifies that the respondent is not otherwise prohibited from possessing the firearm or ammunition.

    (3) Subject to paragraph (2) of this subsection, on request of the respondent, a law enforcement agency shall return all firearms and ammunition belonging to the respondent not later than:

    (i) 14 days after the expiration of an interim or temporary extreme risk protective order;

    (ii) 14 days after a court terminates a final extreme risk protective order; or

    (iii) 48 hours after the expiration of a final extreme risk protective order.

    And that's it. There's nothing in there about compensation at all. All that it says is that they have to notify you that you can request return of your stuff, and that after your request, they have 14 days to give it back (or 48 hours in the last circumstance).

    And of course, they sneak this in at the end of the subtitle:

    Maryland PSC said:
    (e) If a firearm or ammunition is not reclaimed within 6 months after the provision of notice to a respondent under subsection (b) of this section:

    (1) no party shall have the right to assert ownership of the firearm or ammunition; and

    (2) the law enforcement agency holding the firearm or ammunition may destroy the firearm or ammunition.

    So if you don't claim your stuff within six months, it's forfeit and then can destroy it.
     

    ironpony

    Member
    MDS Supporter
    Jun 8, 2013
    7,191
    Davidsonville
    Will they try to make served ERPOs be put on a list like the sexual predator list? Must inform neighbors? Guns are more dangerous than sex ... well maybe. The public at large deserves to know?? Crap 2 more years of this.
     

    Bob A

    όυ φροντισ
    MDS Supporter
    Patriot Picket
    Nov 11, 2009
    30,691
    Don’t want to speak for dblas but he may have been referring to Marylanders in general and not exclusively MDS members.

    A pinch of sarcasm, no doubt, on Stoveman's part. It's hard to comprehend the state of this board when sensitivity to "calling out" is ban fodder, while the vicious remarks about an injured SCOTUS justice are ignored.
     

    CrazySanMan

    2013'er
    Mar 4, 2013
    11,390
    Colorful Colorado
    The CA shooter was visited by police who determined he wasn't bad enough to 5150 (CA's 1302)

    Police Met With "Irate, Irrational" SoCal Mass-Shooter In April, "Didn't Feel He Warranted Psych Hold"
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-08/12-killed-mass-shooting-california-country-bar
    Police say they have "had several contacts with Mr. Long over the years for minor offenses."

    He was a victim of assault and battery in a bar in 2015. The police then confirmed that in April of this year, officers were called to Long's house: "officers went to his house, he was somewhat irate, acting a little irrationally."

    The officers then called out their Crisis Intervention Team, "and mental health specialists who met with him, talked to him, and cleared him, didn't feel he was qualified to be taken under 5150."

    The MGA will repeat this ad nauseum when they meet again.

    You guys in MD need to counter with the fact that these laws kill the innocent while allowing those who need it to walk.
     

    Name Taken

    Ultimate Member
    Feb 23, 2010
    11,891
    Central
    The 118 number and the 60 number. Is the 60 number the ones that the Judges went fourth with after a hearing or did the Commissioners turn away nearly half of the people who came to them?

    I find it hard to believe that the Commissioners are turning away THAT many. I can see the temp. ones being issued and the 60 number being the ones the judges go with AFTER the guns have already been taken.
     

    fidelity

    piled higher and deeper
    MDS Supporter
    Aug 15, 2012
    22,400
    Frederick County
    A pinch of sarcasm, no doubt, on Stoveman's part. It's hard to comprehend the state of this board when sensitivity to "calling out" is ban fodder, while the vicious remarks about an injured SCOTUS justice are ignored.
    More likely, a bunch of folks reported AOB's post whereas no one has (at this point) in the RBG injury thread (and while she is a political opponent, I hope this past friend of Scalia recovers). I've met AOB/P before, communicated with him privately, and like him. I know he speaks from his heart, is trying to do what he feels is best, and puts great effort into it. Imo, it's likely how he's phrased things in the past that have led to what happened and not how he might have made his comment last time. But I don't know what's happened behind the scenes, whether there's more, etc. I just hope we can all move forward in comity, toward our shared goals.

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    fidelity

    piled higher and deeper
    MDS Supporter
    Aug 15, 2012
    22,400
    Frederick County
    The CA shooter was visited by police who determined he wasn't bad enough to 5150 (CA's 1302)

    Police Met With "Irate, Irrational" SoCal Mass-Shooter In April, "Didn't Feel He Warranted Psych Hold"
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-08/12-killed-mass-shooting-california-country-bar


    The MGA will repeat this ad nauseum when they meet again.

    You guys in MD need to counter with the fact that these laws kill the innocent while allowing those who need it to walk.
    Precisely why I came to this thread. Hogan will acquiesce to Dumais when the Senator, MDA, etc point to this incident.

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    MJD438

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    Feb 28, 2012
    5,849
    Somewhere in MD
    The 118 number and the 60 number. Is the 60 number the ones that the Judges went fourth with after a hearing or did the Commissioners turn away nearly half of the people who came to them?

    I find it hard to believe that the Commissioners are turning away THAT many. I can see the temp. ones being issued and the 60 number being the ones the judges go with AFTER the guns have already been taken.

    Just for clarity, the three order types and issuing authorities:
    1. Interim / District Court Commissioner
      1. Ex Parte.
      2. To be used ONLY when the District Court Clerk is not open for business.
      3. Expires when either a Temporary Order is issued or at the end of the second business day after Interim Order was issued.
    2. Temporary / District Court Judge.
      1. Ex Parte.
      2. Expires when either a Final Order is issued or 7 days after the Temporary Order was issued.
      3. May be extended for 6 months for service of the order or "other good cause".
    3. Final / District or Circuit Court Judge.
      1. Full Hearing.
      2. Expires 1 year after the Final Order was issued. May be extended for 6 months for "good cause".
     
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    dblas

    Past President, MSI
    MDS Supporter
    Apr 6, 2011
    13,087
    Now that we are starting to see numbers on this, I would really like to know how it went down for the other 60-odd people where the orders weren't granted. Did they get their guns back? If so, when? What condition were they in? How difficult was the process?

    Also, out of curiosity, where did you get the less than 60 granted number?

    If an ERPO wasn't granted, then no firearms were seized because there was nothing for the police to go tot the home for. I think what you are wanting to know, as well as I, is what was the outcome of the 60 or so that were granted, and for those that were cleared, have they gotten their firearms back yet, and if not, why not?
     

    dblas

    Past President, MSI
    MDS Supporter
    Apr 6, 2011
    13,087
    How did you find out that less than 60 were granted? Not doubting you, just curious as to how to come by these results.

    And were the initiators of the other 60 or so prosecuted for perjury? That's what is supposed to happen, right?

    As for the bolded, be careful, you're close to violating the strict anti shaming policy.

    Article in the Capital Gazzette, that had the numbers of ERPOs requested and then those granted with an interactive pam of how many by county (FYI, Kent County is the only county without any ERPOs being issued yet).

    https://www.capitalgazette.com/news/for_the_record/ac-cn-red-flag-folo-1106-story.html
     

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