MSP Appeals to the Office of Administrative Hearings

SCV/SAR Patriot · Jan 19, 2019

Straightshooter said:
Crossing the Mason Dixon line is like flying out of a fog bank into clear blue skies.

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Amen, and probably doesn’t matter which way you leave Maryland, north, south, east or west. Just don’t understand why we’re so “special” in MD???

ShafTed · Jan 19, 2019

swinokur said:
Ever read the Curran manifesto?

danb said:
I have, but I still would like to think that the AG has some rational long term strategy. All of these appeals are ultimately sowing the seeds of their own destruction.

The Curran manifesto IS the long term strategy. And there is nothing rational about it.

Schipperke said:
He's gonna be a fun Governor for sure..

He doesn't want to be governor. Why would he give up all his power?

Mark75H · Jan 19, 2019

swinokur said:
He’ll be your govenor too!

LOL

ShafTed said:
He doesn't want to be governor. Why would he give up all his power?

IDK, AG isn't nearly as powerful as Comptroller. He may aspire to be Gov and he's not young.

br3krj · Jan 19, 2019

danb said:
And that is where I do not understand the MSP and AG penchant for appeals here.

If you've gone through and spent over $500 on training and finger printing, 8 hours in a classroom, 52 pages of paperwork, and interview process, a board hearing, Chances are you are going to fight till your very last legal brief the restrictions on your permit. It's absurd and ridiculous to think that after having gone through all that people are simply going to give up.

I simply don't understand the mindset-They are desperately trying to hold on to a relic of the past, they're just being dicks, or they're trying to show results to justify the money Bloomberg gave them for the campaign. Maybe a little of all of those.

I fully expect to receive restrictions on my renewal and if so, I intend to fight them as far as I can!

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Biggfoot44 · Jan 21, 2019

Palpable Need is indeed a significant thing , significantly different from current policy, and needs to be persued .

EdHershon · Jan 23, 2019

swinokur said:
They didn’t perjure themselves in front of the HPRB and if they say something different in front of an ALJ they haven’t perjured themselves in front of that ALJ either.

It’s De Novo right? They get a total do over

See how that works?

The facts according to the MSP LD are whatever they say they are

If they made a statement under oath and it was false or different than what they testify to another time at OAH, then you can beat the shit out of them for the inconsistency and make them look like shit. It’s just how to do it effectively.

montoya32 · Jan 23, 2019

Straightshooter said:
Just the opposite with me. When I applied, I listed 2 businesses. I provided documentation for one. I was notified to provide documentation for the second business or my permit would be denied, implying that my first business was not G&S for a permit. I provided the documents and my permit was issued with both businesses listed. Don't try to figure these fools out, you'll go nuts.

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Did you send $10 and specifically ask for a modification?

rbird7282 · Jan 24, 2019

swinokur said:
The long term strategy is control, control, control until its pried from their hands by the SCOTUS. They suffer from the typical liberal mindset that law abiding citizens are part of the problem along with the criminal sewage

Makes no difference. The serfs are not to be trusted

It’s what they do.

This, exactly. Control.

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swinokur · Jan 24, 2019

EdHershon said:
If they made a statement under oath and it was false or different than what they testify to another time at OAH, then you can beat the shit out of them for the inconsistency and make them look like shit. It’s just how to do it effectively.

Thank you for the clarification Counselor.

My response was somewhat tongue-in-cheek.

Straightshooter · Jan 24, 2019

montoya32 said:
Did you send $10 and specifically ask for a modification?

This one was my initial application, not one that was issued. It did however get issued with the older "while engaged in financial transactions" restrictions and I paid the $10 to get the then newer "while conducting business" crap. I still haven't heard from the HPRB as to a date for my appeal of restrictions that I sent I'm September.

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Abacab · Jan 29, 2019

Biggfoot44 said:
Palpable Need is indeed a significant thing , significantly different from current policy, and needs to be persued .

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Mark75H · Jan 29, 2019

The bio of the Chief ALG is not encouraging: http://www.oah.state.md.us/ChiefJudge.aspx

swinokur · Jan 29, 2019

Raised and educated in MD?

Served in the MGA?

Nah no bias there

welder516 · Jan 29, 2019

Mark75H said:
The bio of the Chief ALG is not encouraging: http://www.oah.state.md.us/ChiefJudge.aspx

I am not sure I believe everything within his mission statement . We shall see. "Fair & Independent"

Schipperke · Jan 29, 2019

welder516 said:
I am not sure I believe everything within his mission statement . We shall see. "Fair & Independent"

That's a strike against the applicant.

welder516 · Jan 29, 2019

Schipperke said:
That's a strike against the applicant.

He was an O'smelly appointment . :sad20:

CrabcakesAndFootball · Jan 29, 2019

Mark75H said:
The bio of the Chief ALG is not encouraging: http://www.oah.state.md.us/ChiefJudge.aspx

That is an absolutely hysterical mission statement. You can almost feel the ALJ’s exasperation with being obligated to provide that annoying little thing called due process.

Mark75H · Jan 29, 2019

welder516 said:
He was an O'smelly appointment .

Speaker Pro Tem is even worse. Means he's not only "in the club", he's a ranking member of said club.

Not_an_outlaw · Jan 29, 2019

Maybe he was appointed to get him out of the MGA.

ras_oscar · Jan 30, 2019

I would be interested in hearing first hand accounts from any individuals that have completed the new MSP appeals. If the judge is treating MSP and the applicant on a fair and even footing, applying the law to the situation at hand, I have less concerns. Also, are these proceedings open to the public like other trials? Might be fodder for an eventual COTUS case if decisions can be shown as arbitrary and capricious. Particularly if the judge is shown to apply MSP "standard procedures" as if they are laws.

If an applicant is denied a permit by the board, can they also appeal to the admin judge?

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