WV firearms dealer won't sell to MD resident

ThunderStick · Jan 8, 2017

Yesterday, a friend of mine who lives in Maryland attempted to order a Remington 870 shotgun at a West Virginia gun shop, (the particular model was not in stock). When the proprietor saw my friend's Maryland driver's license, he nixed the order, saying he won't sell any firearm to a Maryland resident, citing the list of so-called banned weapons in Maryland that no one knows what firearms are on the list.

The list of "Regulated Firearms" in Maryland is readily available at the Maryland State Police website and on my last check, a Remington 870 shotgun is not a regulated firearm in Maryland.

That dealer could have made the sale, i.e., he is not governed by Maryland law and he should have known better.

Are all West Virginia firearms dealers like that?

:mad54:

BUFF7MM · Jan 8, 2017

ThunderStick said:
Yesterday, a friend of mine who lives in Maryland attempted to order a Remington 870 shotgun at a West Virginia gun shop, (the particular model was not in stock). When the proprietor saw my friend's Maryland driver's license, he nixed the order, saying he won't sell any firearm to a Maryland resident, citing the list of so-called banned weapons in Maryland that no one knows what firearms are on the list.

The list of "Regulated Firearms" in Maryland is readily available at the Maryland State Police website and on my last check, a Remington 870 shotgun is not a regulated firearm in Maryland.

That dealer could have made the sale, i.e., he is not governed by Maryland law and he should have known better.

Are all West Virginia firearms dealers like that?

Where was it? I've bought from Keyser and Romney FFL's in the past with no problems.

Boom Boom · Jan 8, 2017

Their shop. Their rules. Out-of-state gun shops aren't obliged to know MD law or to sell to MD residents. Put blame where it belongs: the General Assembly in Annapolis.

kalister1 · Jan 8, 2017

Federal Law requires all firearm sales across State lines to be IAW BOTH States laws. So he sorta is Governed by MD law.
Get used to it FFL's do business their way.

Boom Boom · Jan 8, 2017

kalister1 said:
Federal Law requires all firearm sales across State lines to be IAW BOTH States laws. So he sorta is Governed by MD law.
Get used to it FFL's do business their way.

No "sorta" about it. If the buyer is a MD resident, the shop is required by federal law to comply with MD law. With MD law so convoluted, it's no surprise that so many out-of-state FFL dealers refuse to sell to MD residents. Think CYA.

mdflyer · Jan 8, 2017

I ran into the same thing at the Dulles gun show a few years ago. I was just asking some questions about a 10/22 with a factory bull barrel. When it came out that i was a maryland resident he said he couldn't do business with me, walked away and wouldn't talk to me anymore.

dist1646 · Jan 8, 2017

You can thank the liberals in Montgomery Co., P.G. Co, Howard Co., Baltimore Co., and Baltimore City for that!

ThunderStick · Jan 8, 2017

Buff7mm said:
Where was it? I've bought from Keyser and Romney FFL's in the past with no problems.

Morgantown, WV.

If this FFL was trying be IAW laws in both states, he still could have made the sale. The Remington 870 is not on the "Regulated Firearms" list in Maryland and therefore can be sold with a 4473 and a NICS check.

ClutchyMcClutcherson · Jan 8, 2017

ThunderStick said:
Morgantown, WV.

If this FFL was trying be IAW laws in both states, he still could have made the sale. The Remington 870 is not on the "Regulated Firearms" list in Maryland and therefore can be sold with a 4473 and a NICS check.

Check out one of the IP's here and you'll have no problems. I'm sure someone on here can recommend which one would get you a good deal on an 870.

BUFF7MM · Jan 8, 2017

ThunderStick said:
Morgantown, WV.

If this FFL was trying be IAW laws in both states, he still could have made the sale. The Remington 870 is not on the "Regulated Firearms" list in Maryland and therefore can be sold with a 4473 and a NICS check.

If it's the FFL I'm thinking of the place is ate up with ignorance anyway.
Drop off Backbone and hit Eagle eye or Ridgeville sport shop, I'm sure you shouldn't have a problem there.
And I know for a fact both places in Ridgely will sell to Maryland residents.

nmyers · Jan 8, 2017

Not uncommon. A lot of folks used to become dealers because they liked guns. But, they find out that the "firearms business" is 10% guns & 90% business. Not only do you have to be a "people person", but you need to be able to read & comply with some pretty complicated legal procedures. So, dealers whose reading comprehension is at the 10th grade level start sweating & shaking when the paperwork gets difficult. Unlike in just about any other business, a simple mistake can get cost a dealer his livelihood & freedom.

Some dealers welcome help from customers, but others just don't want to get involved in something that they don't understand. All you have to do is ask if a dealer in another state is willing to deal with you; if he is not, walk away. You just can't educate someone who doesn't want to learn, even if it is costing him money.

davsco · Jan 8, 2017

yeah the guy doesn't want to risk his license nor take the time to read and know all the various out of state laws. he loses some sales but that may be worth it to him vs the time investment in knowing other states' laws. easier to just lose some sales than getting it wrong and losing his business (and/or jail time). but blame MD on making it hard for him.

VTHokies · Jan 8, 2017

Perfectly legal, but some places don't want to run the risk with the Socialist State of MD. I'm always teased by how easy everything is in PA living 20 minutes from the Mason Dixon line...

Applehd · Jan 8, 2017

Boom Boom said:
Their shop. Their rules. Out-of-state gun shops aren't obliged to know MD law or to sell to MD residents. Put blame where it belongs: the General Assembly in Annapolis.

Boom Boom said:
No "sorta" about it. If the buyer is a MD resident, the shop is required by federal law to comply with MD law. With MD law so convoluted, it's no surprise that so many out-of-state FFL dealers refuse to sell to MD residents. Think CYA.

swinokur · Jan 8, 2017

Hell, dooesn't have to sell to a WV resident if he doesn't want to.

His shop, his license, his rules.

Biggfoot44 · Jan 9, 2017

Yes it would be legal, but his shop, his rules.

It sucks to be us, but if you were someplace else, many of us wouldn't want to deal with Md BS .

EL1227 · Jan 9, 2017

Boom Boom said:
No "sorta" about it. If the buyer is a MD resident, the shop is required by federal law to comply with MD law. With MD law so convoluted, it's no surprise that so many out-of-state FFL dealers refuse to sell to MD residents. Think CYA.

And it will continue to be more convoluted until we change our legislative body in Annapolis. Look at our gun laws (FSA2013 and others) as ObamaCare for firearm owners. You've got to read the 2,800 pages to know what's in it. :sad20:

BeoBill · Jan 9, 2017

EL1227 said:
And it will continue to be more convoluted until we change our legislative body in Annapolis. Look at our gun laws (FSA2013 and others) as ObamaCare for firearm owners. You've got to read the 2,800 pages to know what's in it.

...And when you're done with that epic task you'll realize that a lot of it is gibberish. :innocent0

eruby · Jan 9, 2017

ThunderStick said:
.....

Are all West Virginia firearms dealers like that?

No. Not all.

Hollywood Ball · Jan 9, 2017

ThunderStick said:
Morgantown, WV.

If this FFL was trying be IAW laws in both states, he still could have made the sale. The Remington 870 is not on the "Regulated Firearms" list in Maryland and therefore can be sold with a 4473 and a NICS check.

Not a lot of private shops in Morgantown, so I have it narrowed down in my mind. If it's the one I think it is, it's a decent shop, knowledgable and friendly staff, locally owned. A stand up guy, all around.

My go-to local FFL is in Morgantown. Always stopped in, even when I still lived in MD. He wouldn't sell to me then. Wanted nothing to do with MD and I didn't hold it against him. The guys at 2A Sales always had what I wanted anyways.

The way he explained it to me was his ATF contact out of the Pittsburgh office couldn't even give him straight answers on the Maryland BS, so he strayed away from it completely. Simply not worth the risk.

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