Active Duty - Buying an M1A

mopar92 · Jan 17, 2017

Pinecone said:
Yeah, it only two 3 tries to make it almost as good as the FN FAL.

If I could only have one rifle, I think the FN FAL would be, if not the top, real close to the top.

The FN FAL and the H&K G3 both beat the M14 in testing. The M14 only was adopted because
1. The M14 was an American design
2. The Army claimed it could be built with a minimal cash outlay using M1 Garand tooling (which was a huge lie)

The M14 fell far short of its peers in its day and in the present day comes in 11th in a 9 person race.

Anyone ever notice how the FAL was adopted by damn near every NATO and democratic country and the M14 was only adopted by us and then shoved into storage?

woodline · Jan 17, 2017

I just ETSed in June. I've been here for a good number of years, and I am still occasionally confused by Maryland gun laws. All AK47s are banned except AK pistols oh andby the way, SBRs count as pistols here but have to be more than 29" in overall length. . . Huh? Good luck, and try not to get stuck here.

At any rate, I believe the only way you can legally purchase an M1A (a fine rifle, as are many other firearms suggested in this thread) is in your home state. And you really should just leave it with friends or family outside of Maryland.

In closing, there are good Maryland-legal alternatives if you must have something. I'm collecting the pieces for a large frame AR build in .308 right now. If modern battle rifles aren't your thing, a vepr in .308 is also affordable, and has a bit more soul.

Art3 · Jan 17, 2017

mopar92 said:
https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=169567

Gain some knowledge. The AR is the better rifle. If you have a small dick and want .30 cal buy an AR-10.

What? Wait...that's just a guideline, not actually in the law, right? (FSA 2013 is so confusing!) I mean, what if someone with a small dick doesn't want .30 cal? I'm still allowed to enjoy 5.56, like everyone else, right? Asking for a friend... :innocent0

BUFF7MM · Jan 17, 2017

Art3 said:
What? Wait...that's just a guideline, not actually in the law, right? (FSA 2013 is so confusing!) I mean, what if someone with a small dick doesn't want .30 cal? I'm still allowed to enjoy 5.56, like everyone else, right? Asking for a friend...

well played sir, well played. :clap:

MD_3%er · Jan 17, 2017

jimbobborg said:
FTFY.

Don't know what FTFY means... But yes meant M14 but you get the point...

Hawkeye · Jan 18, 2017

MD_3%er said:
Don't know what FTFY means...

"Fixed That For You." It's a sarcastic way to respond to somebody's post.

Bountied · Jan 18, 2017

Ok since we can't buy any of the 3 rifles M1A, FAL, G3/91. What are some other options for a semi 7.62? I see the VEPR, SCAR, AR10 variants, and what else? I'd like a beater semi .30 cal to shoot up a bunch of milsurp 7.62 ammo I have.

MD_3%er · Jan 18, 2017

Hawkeye said:
"Fixed That For You." It's a sarcastic way to respond to somebody's post.

AHHHH I love a fellow smart ass! :party29:

MD_3%er · Jan 18, 2017

Bountied said:
Ok since we can't buy any of the 3 rifles M1A, FAL, G3/91. What are some other options for a semi 7.62? I see the VEPR, SCAR, AR10 variants, and what else? I'd like a beater semi .30 cal to shoot up a bunch of milsurp 7.62 ammo I have.

SKS!

mopar92 · Jan 18, 2017

Bountied said:
Ok since we can't buy any of the 3 rifles M1A, FAL, G3/91. What are some other options for a semi 7.62? I see the VEPR, SCAR, AR10 variants, and what else? I'd like a beater semi .30 cal to shoot up a bunch of milsurp 7.62 ammo I have.

Century C308. Clone of the CETME 308. Best used with brass but it's rough on brass unless you do some modifications.

Bountied · Jan 18, 2017

mopar92 said:
Century C308. Clone of the CETME 308. Best used with brass but it's rough on brass unless you do some modifications.

Yeah my brother in law has a PTR and it eats up the brass. It's the way the chamber is with the delayed roller blow back. I was thinking more gas or piston operated types of rifles.

jollymon · Jan 18, 2017

Its my understanding that active military stationed to a post in Maryland can bring their ban in Maryland guns with them,As long as they are not going to stay permanently in Maryland.
found that when reading the law before it went in to effect, Atlantic Guns had a copy for all to read ,I'm sure they still do,

Hawkeye · Jan 18, 2017

jollymon said:
Its my understanding that active military stationed to a post in Maryland can bring their ban in Maryland guns with them,

That is incorrect.

Mere possession of a banned rifle within the state of Maryland is illegal and there is no exception in the law for active military or those with dual residency or anything to that effect.

Just for clarity's sake, here is the relevant part of the statute:

SB281 said:
4–303.
(a) Except as provided in subsection (b) of this section, a person may not:
(1) transport an assault [pistol] WEAPON into the State; or
(2) possess, sell, offer to sell, transfer, purchase, or receive an assault WEAPON.

(b)
(3)A PERSON WHO LAWFULLY POSSESSED; HAS A PURCHASE ORDER FOR, OR COMPLETED AN APPLICATION TO PURCHASE AN ASSAULT LONG GUN OR A COPYCAT WEAPON BEFORE OCTOBER 1, 2013,MAY:
(I) CONTINUE TO POSSESS AND TRANSPORT THE ASSAULT LONG GUN OR COPYCAT WEAPON;

As you can see, the ONLY exception in the law was for people who lawfully possessed or had a purchase order for a banned "assault weapon" prior to October 1 2013.

dist1646 · Jan 18, 2017

mopar92 said:
The FN FAL and the H&K G3 both beat the M14 in testing. The M14 only was adopted because
1. The M14 was an American design
2. The Army claimed it could be built with a minimal cash outlay using M1 Garand tooling (which was a huge lie)

The M14 fell far short of its peers in its day and in the present day comes in 11th in a 9 person race.

Anyone ever notice how the FAL was adopted by damn near every NATO and democratic country and the M14 was only adopted by us and then shoved into storage?

The FAL was stretched to it's limits with the 7.62 NATO round. It has certainly had a long service life though! Personally, I would have chosen the G3. I think the board was prejudiced against the G3 because it was a German design and it was not all that long after WW2, so those wounds were still sore. The G3 was stupidly simple to manufacture and very accurate. BTW, the M14 has been rated as one of the top 10 combat rifles of all time. McNamara and his bean counters insured that the M16 became the standard U.S. rifle despite it's shortcomings.

chesapeakeIRON · Jan 18, 2017

MD_3%er said:
SKS!

Depends what milsurp ammo he has but since this is and m14 thread I would think 762 nato or (762x51)....SKS uses 762x39 (same as AK's) while the M14 AR10 etc is 762x51

Pinecone · Jan 18, 2017

mopar92 said:
The FN FAL and the H&K G3 both beat the M14 in testing. The M14 only was adopted because
1. The M14 was an American design
2. The Army claimed it could be built with a minimal cash outlay using M1 Garand tooling (which was a huge lie)

The M14 fell far short of its peers in its day and in the present day comes in 11th in a 9 person race.

Anyone ever notice how the FAL was adopted by damn near every NATO and democratic country and the M14 was only adopted by us and then shoved into storage?

IIRC, the M14 actually beat the FAL at one test. That the Army decided was critical.

Pinecone · Jan 18, 2017

dist1646 said:
The FAL was stretched to it's limits with the 7.62 NATO round.

HUH???

Why do you say it was stretched to its limits for the 7.62x51 round??

The basic action design was the FN49, which was originally 7.92x57 Mauser.

It was also produced in .30-06, 7x57, 7.62x51, and 7.65x53 Argentine.

dist1646 · Jan 18, 2017

Pinecone said:
HUH???

Why do you say it was stretched to its limits for the 7.62x51 round??

The basic action design was the FN49, which was originally 7.92x57 Mauser.

It was also produced in .30-06, 7x57, 7.62x51, and 7.65x53 Argentine.

It was originally designed for intermediate rounds, .280 British, 7.92mm Kurz, etc. the design had to be modified to handle the 7.62-51 NATO round. The 7.92mm Kurz round is not the same as the 7.92mmx57 Mauser that was used in the K98.
Search: FN FAL history.

putneyswope · Jan 18, 2017

Hawkeye said:
That is incorrect.

Mere possession of a banned rifle within the state of Maryland is illegal and there is no exception in the law for active military or those with dual residency or anything to that effect.

Just for clarity's sake, here is the relevant part of the statute:

As you can see, the ONLY exception in the law was for people who lawfully possessed or had a purchase order for a banned "assault weapon" prior to October 1 2013.

You are all forgetting that whatever base he is stationed at isn't legally Maryland. The base will fall within the Maryland borders but is U.S. Government Property. As long as he is stationed there and the gun stays in the armory or in base housing it's perfectly legal. As for the rifle I would purchase it next time you're at an out of state gun show or home on leave.

Biggfoot44 · Jan 18, 2017

Just buy the Chinese knockoff, and be done with it.

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