Remington Subsonics.

mdsuave13 · Nov 21, 2007

So i was really interested in knowing the sound difference between .22lr normal velocity/high velocity/subsonic/short cb caps.

I purchased a box of remington subsonics, used some of my federal bulk pack .22lr standards, cci hyper velocity, and some cci cb shorts.

Firing the standards back to back with the sub sonics, i was wowed with the difference in sound. It is like firing a high powered pellet rifle quite literally.

I then popped a few of the cb shorts and it was literally dead silent minus the action of the gun.

So bottom line, sub sonics will do my vermin/pest duties around my house. they seem to be accurate as standard or hyper velocity ammo at least to 25 yards.

E.Shell · Nov 21, 2007

The Remington sub-sonics shoot very well in my suppressed 10/22 and they're good for about 1/2-3/4" groups at 50 and 1-1/2" groups at 100 if there is no wind. In the suppressed barrel, they are very much *quieter* than an air rifle. They chronograph about 1,005 to 1,050, depend on ambient temps.

Using CCI Mini-Mags in the un-ported suppressor barrel, the suppressor kills the "report" but the super-sonic "'crack" alone out in front of the gun is loud enough to warrant ear protection. The "crack" seems to be at least half of the total noise signature of the unsuppressed Mini-Mags.

Norton · Nov 21, 2007

Good to know. I want to get a .22lr suppressor and need to start ordering some subsonic ammo. I've always gotten good results from the Aguila rimfire ammo, so I might order some from AIM to try out.

h2u · Nov 21, 2007

Norton said:
Good to know. I want to get a .22lr suppressor and need to start ordering some subsonic ammo. I've always gotten good results from the Aguila rimfire ammo, so I might order some from AIM to try out.

Why don't you ask Jeep-especially if you're going with whatever he suggests for the can? From my understanding, some of the subsonics may not cycle the suppressed action. I believe he shoots std velocity in his suppressed rifle.

mch28 · Nov 21, 2007

I didn't have good luck with the Rem. subsonics in my suppressed 10/22. They would only cycle it 3-4 out of 10. Its an AWC which is a ported integral suppressor. They may cyle the non-ported better. The AWC has ports about 4-5 inches into the barrel to lower the pressure. This slows high velocity ammo into a subsonic speed. If I remember correctly they were in the 700-750 fps range, but didn't cycle the action reliably enough for me. I found that every once in a while I would get a loud one as if the powder charges were not uniform.

Half-cocked · Nov 21, 2007

I use only PMC Moderators (38-grain subsonic hollow points) in my Henry, they're dead-to-nuts accurate. I don't know if this is true of other subsonic bullets, but it may well be, since they don't suffer from the instability of going from supersonic to subsonic. I'm going to try some Rem subsonics to find out.

ThePhantomPatriot · Nov 21, 2007

cbs are awesome. all you hear is the click of the rim getting hit. great for taking out pesky varmints in the backyard w/o anyone noticing

mudskipper · Jan 22, 2008

I shoot these (Rem. Subs) in my 22/45 MKII with a can and they're very quiet. They won't cycle my 10/22 reliably (even with a can) but they work great in my pistol.

novus collectus · Jan 22, 2008

Messing around I fired some subsonics out of my .22 rifle and I noticed the Remington and I think it was CCI subsonics I shot were inconsistent. Some gave a supersonic crack and other rounds did not. This was years ago though and my memory may be a little flawed.
I also fired some RWS and they all fired the same without one supersonic crack and I remember this clearly. Those Swiss make damn good ammo!

novus collectus · Jan 22, 2008

Norton said:
Good to know. I want to get a .22lr suppressor and need to start ordering some subsonic ammo. I've always gotten good results from the Aguila rimfire ammo, so I might order some from AIM to try out.

The Aquilla extra heavy bullet .22 sucks unless you have the proper twist in your rifle. I bought some out of novelty and those really long bullets and fired them at short distance out of a rifle, seemed like they keyholed a lot.
Read good things about other Aguilla though.

BlindViper · Jan 22, 2008

Where can one get some subsonic ammo locally?

h2u · Jan 22, 2008

BlindViper said:
Where can one get some subsonic ammo locally?

Bass Pro

Half-cocked · Jan 22, 2008

The Wal-Mart near me sells Remington Subsonics, as well as CCI CB .22 shorts, which are rated for 710 fps.

E.Shell · Jan 22, 2008

novus collectus said:
Messing around I fired some subsonics out of my .22 rifle and I noticed the Remington and I think it was CCI subsonics I shot were inconsistent. Some gave a supersonic crack and other rounds did not. This was years ago though and my memory may be a little flawed.

Your memory is likely accurate on this subject.

At 1,050 FPS, perhaps more from your rifle, this ammo can be right on the edge of the sub-sonic/super-sonic threshhold, which will vary with temperature/atmospheric conditions. Chances are your rifle sends them a little faster, and prevailing air density allowed some of them to be super-sonic and thus render the "crack".

novus collectus said:
The Aquilla extra heavy bullet .22 sucks unless you have the proper twist in your rifle. I bought some out of novelty and those really long bullets and fired them at short distance out of a rifle, seemed like they keyholed a lot.

Yes, they do require a fast twist for best results, and dedicated barrels run between 1:8 and 1:10, vs. the average 1:16 in a regular .22 LR.

The 60 SSS are NOT recommended for suppressed guns unless they do have a fast-twist barrel, due to the possibility of baffle strikes.

rob b · Jan 22, 2008

the rem subsonic ammo is great stuff
I use them near a housing devolopment for squirrels about 400 yards from the closest house and nobody has ever complained to the landowner or police
they do sound alot like a high powered air rifle and I was impressed with there accuracy but they arent much good beyond 45 yards
cant say much for the other ammo mentioned
although I did pick up a box of cci velocitor ammo but have not shot it yet

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