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Old December 5th, 2019, 10:25 AM #11
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I have the PA AR12 and have no issues with it whatsoever. It was difficult to find magazines at first but I was finally able to find a couple 10 rounders to go along with the 2 5s that were included.
And the trigger? is it a true shotgun trigger, a milspec 11 lbs revolver type trigger, where you need a trip to the gym, or what?

How do the magazines feed and drop free?
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Old December 5th, 2019, 10:29 AM #12
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"cylinders" thats what i meant.
Sorry for the terse response before. Now I'm at my laptop, and we can talk more about this.

The law clearly says "revolving cylinder". It does not actually define what that means exactly. The intent, I think, was clear: they wanted to ban Street Sweepers, Strykers, etc. that actually had a revolver-esque cylinder. The question is whether the law could be interpreted as catching the magazines on the TS-12 or SRM. I don't remember if the manual calls them cylinders, but if it doesn't, that's some powerful evidence there that they should not be banned.

Now, making this worse is that the MSP has been a little uneven about this. The MSP list says that the following are banned:
SRM-1208
SRM-1212

However, that same MSP list says that these guys are NOT banned:
IWI TS-12
SRM-1216

The SRM-1216 is mechanically the same shotgun as the SRM-1208 and -1212; those are just the SBS versions of it. My personal opinion is that the MSP screwed up and should not have banned the SBS versions of the SRM-12XX. If you look at the dates on those decisions, they were very early on after the AWB was passed, and they were looking for flimsy excuses to ban damn near anything. The more recent decisions were in 2018.

One other consideration is that what the TS-12 has is NOT a cylindrical magazine (vs the SRM, which is slightly more like that). It's more of a weird revolving triangle with tubes, not a cylinder.
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Old December 5th, 2019, 10:29 AM #13
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.... but I suddenly have a desire to own a mag fed shottie.....
Bless you my son, SOMEBODY must take them in... (If it's lost in the dripping sarcasm, I'm not overly fond of the ones I've seen so far)
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Old December 5th, 2019, 10:35 AM #14
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Sorry for the terse response before. Now I'm at my laptop, and we can talk more about this.

The law clearly says "revolving cylinder". It does not actually define what that means exactly. The intent, I think, was clear: they wanted to ban Street Sweepers, Strykers, etc. that actually had a revolver-esque cylinder. The question is whether the law could be interpreted as catching the magazines on the TS-12 or SRM. I don't remember if the manual calls them cylinders, but if it doesn't, that's some powerful evidence there that they should not be banned.

Now, making this worse is that the MSP has been a little uneven about this. The MSP list says that the following are banned:
SRM-1208
SRM-1212

However, that same MSP list says that these guys are NOT banned:
IWI TS-12
SRM-1216

The SRM-1216 is mechanically the same shotgun as the SRM-1208 and -1212; those are just the SBS versions of it. My personal opinion is that the MSP screwed up and should not have banned the SBS versions of the SRM-12XX. If you look at the dates on those decisions, they were very early on after the AWB was passed, and they were looking for flimsy excuses to ban damn near anything. The more recent decisions were in 2018.

One other consideration is that what the TS-12 has is NOT a cylindrical magazine (vs the SRM, which is slightly more like that). It's more of a weird revolving triangle with tubes, not a cylinder.
I saw this magazine/cylinder/whatever at the Virginia gun show a while back, no bueno. Too bad, i really wanted to buy it.

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Old December 5th, 2019, 10:50 AM #15
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This looks like fun but they're new so I have no idea if they're any good:

https://www.blackacestactical.com/bullpup
Shiii for that price, I'd be happy to find out. Wonder if Gym Ratz can get one in..
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Thank you Gentlemen.... As I thought, it's more of a "toy" or novelty... But they still look cool
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