.22 ARs for the upcoming CW

BugLaden · Jan 9, 2020

If this has been discussed before, please link me. Searching under .22 and AR isn't bringing up much.

Do "AR-like" .22 caliber rifles fall under the Liberal gun grab agenda? I'm about to buy an AR, but I'm wondering if I should get something like this:

http://shop.baltimoresbestpawn.com/...-sport-gsg-16-22lr-1625-22rd-blackgerggsg1622

When SHTF, and we are in a CW, would one of these and a backpack full of .22 hollow-point ammo be just as effective? .22 is a lot cheaper than .223 when it comes to stocking up...

Or should I just go for it, buy a .223 AR, and hope that it isn't grabbed in the future?

Stoveman · Jan 9, 2020

I'll take Buy Both for a thousand, Alex.

DutchV · Jan 9, 2020

If you're worried about future restrictions, get a decent HBAR AR in 5.56 now.

If you want a good semi in .22 LR, get a Ruger 10-22. It's the best bang for the buck, especially compared to an AR-style 22 LR.

fidelity · Jan 9, 2020

If one anticipates a Civil War and participating in it, which your thread title and original post imply, why would you have willingly given up an AR-15 in .223/5.56?

Just get the MD legal HBAR AR-15 for now, and save your nickels and dimes for a Ruger 10/22 purchase in the future.

Please keep in mind that there's a chance (unfortunately) that come October 1, 2020 that all long gun purchases in MD will be more difficult, worst case being the requirement of a long gun qualification license comparable to the current HQL.

ETA: agree with DutchV's prior post

photoracer · Jan 9, 2020

Nice thing about a real AR-22 is it can be converted to centerfire with just an upper (or vice versa). Not talking about the bad clones that only resemble ARs. You can of course just put a .22 conversion in an existing AR but you need to shoot 5.56mm out of it regularly to prevent the gas tube hole in the barrel from clogging up (ask me how I know). If you build it right you can make an AR-22 that is just as light as a 10/22, and almost as light as a S&W 15-22 w/VQ CF barrel. And they can be just as reliable if you use the right mags and ammo. Cost can be equal assuming you are comparing rifles made for the same purpose. A serious competition 10/22 or AR-22 will not be cheap however. I have built rimfire competition versions of just about every platform available, Ruger 10/22, S&W 15-22, AR-22, and Rem 597. More choices in the build with the 10/22 but that does not make it the best necessarily.

3paul10 · Jan 9, 2020

More importantly, let's hope for no civil war.

WildWeasel · Jan 9, 2020

Rifles and .22s serve different purposes most of the time, even if there is the ability for overlap. If you don't have a rifle, start with that. 22 lr is certainly a capable little shell, but its apples to watermelons...

That said, I'm waiting for SHOT before I buy anything new. Keltec has been doing interesting things in rim fire, and I'm hoping S&W brings back a pistol 15/22. And of course theres Ruger.

J Beard · Jan 10, 2020

And for about $50 there are drop in stocks for your 10/22 that mimic the AR platform for cheap training.

rbird7282 · Jan 10, 2020

BugLaden said:
If this has been discussed before, please link me. Searching under .22 and AR isn't bringing up much.

Do "AR-like" .22 caliber rifles fall under the Liberal gun grab agenda? I'm about to buy an AR, but I'm wondering if I should get something like this:

http://shop.baltimoresbestpawn.com/...-sport-gsg-16-22lr-1625-22rd-blackgerggsg1622

When SHTF, and we are in a CW, would one of these and a backpack full of .22 hollow-point ammo be just as effective? .22 is a lot cheaper than .223 when it comes to stocking up...

Or should I just go for it, buy a .223 AR, and hope that it isn't grabbed in the future?

Buy the .223 AR and don’t hope, WORK to fight this crap in Annapolis (or wherever you are)

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Ammo Jon · Jan 10, 2020

Either way you need to feed it, they might go after us in different ways, plan accordingly.

Ammo Jon · Jan 10, 2020

BugLaden said:
Or should I just go for it, buy a .223 AR, and hope that it isn't grabbed in the future?

I hope nobody tries to grab my AR, those barrels get awfully hot and could cause a 2nd degree burn. Ouch!

3paul10 · Jan 10, 2020

Buy lots of ammo......calling Ammo Jon!!!!!!!!

Ammo Jon · Jan 10, 2020

3paul10 said:
Buy lots of ammo......calling Ammo Jon!!!!!!!!

Everyone calm down I’m here

Sirex · Jan 10, 2020

I think AR 22s will generally be spared. Some were sold as regulated firearms for years, like the 15-22, Sig 522, and a couple others. Later it was clarified they were cash and carry. Even in the UK and Australia they can shoot the fully semi automatic 15-22s and Tipman M4s. I think they will fly under the radar. I specifically bought an ATI Omni 22 because I was hoping it would fly under the radar, but it's a piece of crap. I am thinking of maybe a Rock Island LAR 22 instead. I love my 15-22, but there is something the ATI and LAR 22 can do the 15-22 can't.

BugLaden · Jan 11, 2020

My issue comes from the timing. There will be AR 223 confiscations attempted long before any CW (and I'm sure repeated confiscation attempts will be that which leads to CW).

So my logic is that if I possess an AR 223, it will likely be confiscated before anything really starts, If I'm lucky it will start after any confiscation attempts are done on me, but that's just really gambling.

So if I have an AR22 then it will more than likely go under the radar.

Get both! Yes that's the pie in the sky answer. Financially I can only get one right now.

rbird7282 · Jan 11, 2020

Buy the .223 and stop worrying about it, fight it.

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Tungsten · Jan 11, 2020

I don't see the point of AR22's. A 10/22 can do everything an AR22 can do. Aftermarket support is incredible and wood stocks will get you past any EBR laws.

If you actually plan on fighting with a rifle.... I don't think fully semi automatic .22 is going to get you very far anyway.

smokey · Jan 11, 2020

Buy the gun that fills a need now. Your assessment of what a civil war would look like here is wildly inaccurate. If you're worried about confiscation, either nut up and resist it with force, or get good at hiding guns you want to have future access to. If I had to guess, I'd say get the .22lr AR so that you can invest in training. Training can't be confiscated and it doesn't matter what gun you have if you don't know how to employ it effectively.

Slim · Jan 11, 2020

Tungsten said:
I don't see the point of AR22's. A 10/22 can do everything an AR22 can do.

Nope. Fake News. A 10/22 does not replicate the manual of arms of the M16/M4/AR15 platform, not even close. I own several of both; different uses.

Tungsten · Jan 11, 2020

Slim said:
Nope. Fake News. A 10/22 does not replicate the manual of arms of the M16/M4/AR15 platform, not even close. I own several of both; different uses.

Cheaper training for the AR platform is a fair point. However, if the scenario is that ARs have been confiscated, then that negates the benefit.... (assuming you have complied with the confiscation.)

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