Daniel Defense won’t ship to MD

OldTimeyGoodness · Oct 21, 2020

Figured I would post DD’s official response on why they do not ship to MD. I had my eye on a V11 Pro complete upper which was finally available to purchase last week. Went to check out and was blocked, I reached out to them and below is their response:

Thank you for contacting Daniel Defense and we apologize for any confusion. At this time we do not manufacture a MD compliant firearm. We can only ship Pistols and Upper Receivers from the website directly.

The items on the Maryland State Police website were not submitted by Daniel Defense so we have no way of knowing what specifications were submitted so unfortunately we do not go by those.

MD law prohibits all of our rifles unless they are marked with (and advertised on our website as having) a heavy barrel, which we do not have so we are unfortunately not selling any rifles direct from our site at this time.

FFBWMD · Oct 21, 2020

OldTimeyGoodness said:
Figured I would post DD’s official response on why they do not ship to MD. I had my eye on a V11 Pro complete upper which was finally available to purchase last week. Went to check out and was blocked, I reached out to them and below is their response:

Thank you for contacting Daniel Defense and we apologize for any confusion. At this time we do not manufacture a MD compliant firearm. We can only ship Pistols and Upper Receivers from the website directly.

The items on the Maryland State Police website were not submitted by Daniel Defense so we have no way of knowing what specifications were submitted so unfortunately we do not go by those.

MD law prohibits all of our rifles unless they are marked with (and advertised on our website as having) a heavy barrel, which we do not have so we are unfortunately not selling any rifles direct from our site at this time.

Pretty much answers the question right there. MD says AR's have to have a "heavy" profile barrel which DD is saying they dont.

3paul10 · Oct 21, 2020

I've never considered DD as having a MD legal gun.....so what's the shock here?

Jed195 · Oct 21, 2020

He ordered the upper, complete, but just the upper.

It states that they can only ship upper receivers and pistols...

They contradicted their own policy and even explained how they did it in the highlighted part in the above post. Unless I missed something...haven't had my caffeine yet.

danb · Oct 21, 2020

The 18" S2W barrel is listed in DD website as a "heavy barrel"

Our 18” 5.56 barrel is the most accurate and longest lasting barrel attainable for your AR-15 build. We Cold Hammer Forge our barrels, a process that sets us apart from other barrel manufacturers. The 18” Strength to Weight (Daniel’s Heavy Barrel) profile barrel is forged from 4150 Chrome Moly Vanadium steel, Mil-spec heavy phosphate coated and chrome lined with rifle length gas system.

https://danieldefense.com/18-5-56mm-s2wr-rifle-length-chf-barrel.html

The DDM4 V7-PRO and DDM4-V11 PRO both have the 18" "S2W" profile, which is listed as "Heavy" and also looks to me like a heavy profile, and both are listed on the MDSP website as "not banned."

You may persuade them its a heavy barrel, but more likely you will need to go through a dealer.

danb · Oct 21, 2020

.. dupe

rbird7282 · Oct 21, 2020

danb said:
The 18" S2W barrel is listed in DD website as a "heavy barrel"

https://danieldefense.com/18-5-56mm-s2wr-rifle-length-chf-barrel.html

The DDM4 V7-PRO and DDM4-V11 PRO both have the 18" "S2W" profile, which is listed as "Heavy" and also looks to me like a heavy profile, and both are listed on the MDSP website as "not banned."

You may persuade them its a heavy barrel, but more likely you will need to go through a dealer.

You don’t need a dealer for an upper or a barrel. The OP is talking about an upper, not a complete firearm

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danb · Oct 21, 2020

rbird7282 said:
You don’t need a dealer for an upper or a barrel. The OP is talking about an upper, not a complete firearm

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I realize that, however if he cannot persuade DD to ship the upper, what other choice is there? The email from DD says they don't make a heavy barrel, but clearly they do, lol. Facts are often irrelevant to lawyers in other states.

OldTimeyGoodness · Oct 21, 2020

Jed195 said:
He ordered the upper, complete, but just the upper.

It states that they can only ship upper receivers and pistols...

They contradicted their own policy and even explained how they did it in the highlighted part in the above post. Unless I missed something...haven't had my caffeine yet.

Correct.

3paul10 · Oct 21, 2020

Jed195 said:
He ordered the upper, complete, but just the upper.

It states that they can only ship upper receivers and pistols...

They contradicted their own policy and even explained how they did it in the highlighted part in the above post. Unless I missed something...haven't had my caffeine yet.

True, he did only order an upper, but MD Fing law has most of the manufactures scared cause they dont understand it....hell, I have a hard time keeping it straight....

danb · Oct 21, 2020

Update us whether you persuade them that the S2W barrel is a "heavy barrel," like it says on their own damn website, and get them to ship.

Jed195 · Oct 21, 2020

It is pretty stupid that we have to inform and then argue with companies over what we know we can buy/own all the while with them stating a policy of "not gonna bother with MD."

danb · Oct 21, 2020

Jed195 said:
It is pretty stupid that we have to inform and then argue with companies over what we know we can buy/own all the while with them stating a policy of "not gonna bother with MD."

Yeah, I far prefer the business model of companies like IWI that go out of their way to flip off Frosh and make sure that their guns are compliant.

I can forgive not bothering with MD, we are a small state. Although if IWI and Ruger can do it so can everyone else.

What is unforgivable is not knowing what is on their own damn website and contradicting themselves twice.

outrider58 · Oct 21, 2020

Jed195 said:
It is pretty stupid that we have to inform and then argue with companies over what we know we can buy/own all the while with them stating a policy of "not gonna bother with MD."

SkiPatrolDude · Oct 21, 2020

Duffy's is a DD dealer. They can likely source one for you. I have seem the V11pro's on their shelves before and it's where I got my DDM4V7p (pistol not rifle). The S2W is definitely considered an HBAR and both the V11 pro and V7 pro are listed as Not Banned on the MD website.

https://mdsp.maryland.gov/Organizat...LicensingDivision/Firearms/FirearmSearch.aspx

I would definitely get on the phone with DD and send them this link if you haven't already.

OldTimeyGoodness · Oct 21, 2020

SkiPatrolDude said:
Duffy's is a DD dealer. They can likely source one for you. I have seem the V11pro's on their shelves before and it's where I got my DDM4V7p (pistol not rifle). The S2W is definitely considered an HBAR and both the V11 pro and V7 pro are listed as Not Banned on the MD website.

https://mdsp.maryland.gov/Organizat...LicensingDivision/Firearms/FirearmSearch.aspx

I would definitely get on the phone with DD and send them this link if you haven't already.

It looks like DD's stance is that [even if a rifle is listed as not banned on the MDSP website] if said approved rifle has had any changes to its configuration whatsoever it could potentially be non compliant and therefore not shipping it.

I ended up going with a 16" Geiselle SuperDuty from gunbroker.

Jed195 · Oct 21, 2020

OldTimeyGoodness said:
It looks like DD's stance is that [even if a rifle is listed as not banned on the MDSP website] if said approved rifle has had any changes to its configuration whatsoever it could potentially be non compliant and therefore not shipping it.

I ended up going with a 16" Geiselle SuperDuty from gunbroker.

Good...fuggem and take your money elsewhere!

Docster · Oct 21, 2020

Jed195 said:
Good...fuggem and take your money elsewhere!

^^THIS. I wish people would stop endlessly complaining about dealers who don't want to deal with the screwed up Maryland laws. It's MARYLAND, not the dealers. Hell, I'M tired of dealing with the Maryland laws!
Just find one that's willing to do business with Marylanders and do business with them. They deserve it.

Jed195 · Oct 21, 2020

Docster said:
^^THIS. I wish people would stop endlessly complaining about dealers who don't want to deal with the screwed up Maryland laws. It's MARYLAND, not the dealers. Hell, I'M tired of dealing with the Maryland laws!
Just find one that's willing to do business with Marylanders and do business with them. They deserve it.

And or...when available buy the parts you want and put them together the way you want. If the market ever gets back to some parts availability normal.

SkiPatrolDude · Oct 21, 2020

Def stinks to hear that DD won't do what is perfectly plain as day legal.

FWIW I did order a DD upper off of Brownells which has a "heavy barrel" and it shipped no problem.

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