Fire Call!!!! Dems attempting to ram SB741/HB888...

Adolph Oliver Bush · Mar 16, 2018

Rack&Roll said:
I’ve had members here (that I know leave their houses for gun shows) tell me that Patriot Picket activity QUALIFIES AS AN ANARCHIST DEMONSTRATION THAT INVALIDATES THEIR PENSION!

What do we do, and where do we go if that’s how it is?

That is some ignorant BGOS BS right there. Prolly got Molon labe tats too.....

Get off ur asses people. Donate money. Take time off work to support the 2A. Go see your reps in person. Call and write everybody, including the papers. And certainly don't come here and bitch about how bad you've got it. It just sucks the oxygen from those who actually are interested in doing something to support the 2A in this state.

Adolph Oliver Bush · Mar 16, 2018

DaemonAssassin said:
As much as I wanted to attend, my work schedule prohibited me from doing so and I am not able to request leave if the schedule has already been posted. I also couldn't exactly call in sick and then appear in the media in some form, either.

Some people have good reasons like this. But how many MDSers homes do I drive by every Monday night after work hours to go attend the Patriot Picket? I often come from rockville, returning to Frederick county. It is an hour's drive each way. Every week. We have people coming from out of state to picket for crying out loud. But we have like 2 people come from AA county......

As ye sow, so shall ye reap.

Boondock Saint · Mar 16, 2018

Hard times make strong men.
Strong men make good times.
Good times make weak men.
Weak men make hard times.

Rack&Roll · Mar 16, 2018

The.....wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round.....

montoya32 · Mar 17, 2018

Coming to MD.

No detachable mag
No pistol grip, thumbhole stock
No Telescopic stock
No flash hider
No forward grip

1ceman · Mar 17, 2018

East2West said:
So it's ok they sold us out because they have to appease Democrat soccer moms in order to get reelected. So that they can defend us until it's time to sell us out again. Then eventually we won't have any guns to own for them to take then we won't be upset with them when they sell us out....

Am I understanding this whole "reading into politics" thing right?

Funny you say that, I coached Matt Morgan's daughter in soccer. He's lost my vote.

Schipperke · Mar 17, 2018

Adolph Oliver Bush said:
Some people have good reasons like this. But how many MDSers homes do I drive by every Monday night after work hours to go attend the Patriot Picket? I often come from rockville, returning to Frederick county. It is an hour's drive each way. Every week. We have people coming from out of state to picket for crying out loud. But we have like 2 people come from AA county......

As ye sow, so shall ye reap.

Do the kids walking out of school change your mind? Will the suspected 100,000's March 24th change your mind? Did the women after inauguration day make you hate Trump? Demonstrations are nothing more than echo chambers, whipping up the base, and supposedly your party delegates. The Firearms Rights base to whip up in Maryland has little political capital. If you like what you do, that is great. Absolutely no idea why you'd let any comments take air out of you, if you believe in what you are doing. Why the virtue signalling though? Others who choose not to wave signs or wear on their sleeve what they contribute, you have no clue if they write, donate money, VOTE, etc. Appears it will take more to whip up some Republican delegates other than signs. They vote on Bills the way they do to get reelected. There is a handful here commenting they will not vote for the Republicans that voted no. Apparently, those delegates factor in that it's not a net negative.

Maryland is well over 60% registered Democrat. The Senate and House have enough Democrats to override Veto. One common theme I note of demonstrations is numerous signs derogatory in nature to Democrats. So with the facts stated of their super majority stature, do you really think shaming them will change their minds? Looks more to be a cathartic exercise, which again is fine, but doesn't change what the majority party is voting for. Apparently it hasn't even kept Republicans voting against 2A Bills either.

Fester60 · Mar 17, 2018

I read through this thread but never actually found the language of the law. As we all know bumpfiring can be achieved in many ways. I'm wondering how they actually defined these devices. I'm guessing in some vague fashion that MSP will interpret incorrectly.

MJD438 · Mar 17, 2018

Fester60 said:
I read through this thread but never actually found the language of the law. As we all know bumpfiring can be achieved in many ways. I'm wondering how they actually defined these devices. I'm guessing in some vague fashion that MSP will interpret incorrectly.

http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/frmMain.aspx?pid=billpage&stab=02&id=hb0888&tab=subject3&ys=2018RS

Has all of the forms... the bill that was passed is listed as "Third".

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DC-W · Mar 17, 2018

Fester60 said:
I read through this thread but never actually found the language of the law. As we all know bumpfiring can be achieved in many ways. I'm wondering how they actually defined these devices. I'm guessing in some vague fashion that MSP will interpret incorrectly.

Here it is as passed by the house.

http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2018RS/bills/hb/hb0888t.pdf

Mark75H · Mar 17, 2018

Fester60 said:
I read through this thread but never actually found the language of the law. As we all know bumpfiring can be achieved in many ways. I'm wondering how they actually defined these devices. I'm guessing in some vague fashion that MSP will interpret incorrectly.

Yeah, as we learned in 2013, what goes into COMAR and MSP and prosecutors take to court can be completely different from the act passed by the full legislature. It all comes down to what the COMAR approval committee approves well after the fact. Uncle Louie screwed us over on that.

1ceman · Mar 17, 2018

So let me get thia right,... As a lifetime Maryland resident, a MD and DC CCW permit holder, because I own a BFS3 I will become a criminal once tbis bill goes into effect and can loose all my gun rights?

I'm so frustrated with Md, I'm so close to jumping across the river to Vs and watch the liberals get what they ask for...more of Balrimore.

Stagstalker · Mar 17, 2018

So it appears, when you pass, your children nor anyone else may inherit your 2A rights, your heritage, investments nor collections. And the current and previous exercised 2A rights must also end with this generation. Death by one thousand cuts must end. I still believe reaching out to those above MD politicians would be more effective, those that hold sacred the Constitution and their Oath to uphold it. No matter how you slice it, its still an attack against the Constitution not matter which political machine spins it. The Federal government is quite busy at the moment but many claim they are very responsive with petitions, perhaps a petition for assistance, that we're under attack, requesting a cease and desist from communist take over. How many bot calls and bot emails to our conservative reps would deceive them into thinking the majority would have them tear up the Constitution? Treasonous.

MigraineMan · Mar 17, 2018

Ranchero50 said:
It's just people being people. From a politicians point of view, what did they have to gain by fighting for a lost cause? Ostracizing peer pressure maybe?

Further, it's an election year. With all 47 Senate and 141 House seats up for grabs, you can bet that legislators are evaluating how floor votes will be used against them. The bump-stock ban is likely to be THE polarizing issue for the primaries this year. There's plenty of good campaign catch-phrase-ology that resonates with the average Joe/Joann - "weapons of war," "blood in the streets," "protecting our children," "common sense restrictions," et cetera.

I know a losing bet when I see one, and so do they. As much as I don't like everyone voting in favor of the bump-stock ban, I understand why they did. You could make a principled-stand, but you won't be around for the next GA session ... Don't take it personally; it's just politics.

duffball · Mar 17, 2018

1ceman said:
So let me get thia right,... As a lifetime Maryland resident, a MD and DC CCW permit holder, because I own a BFS3 I will become a criminal once tbis bill goes into effect and can loose all my gun rights?

From what I can tell if you own it prior to Oct 1 2018 and get ATF approval (no idea how) prior to Oct 1 2019 then you are grandfathered in.

For those who don't want to open a PDF here is the definition text for binary triggers and bump stocks.

"BINARY TRIGGER SYSTEM” MEANS A DEVICE THAT, WHEN INSTALLED IN OR ATTACHED TO A FIREARM, FIRES BOTH WHEN THE TRIGGER IS PULLED AND ON RELEASE OF THE TRIGGER

“BUMP STOCK” MEANS A DEVICE THAT, WHEN INSTALLED IN OR ATTACHED TO A FIREARM, INCREASES THE RATE OF FIRE OF THE FIREARM BY USING ENERGY FROM THE RECOIL OF THE FIREARM TO GENERATE A RECIPROCATING ACTION THAT FACILITATES REPEATED ACTIVATION OF THE TRIGGER.

These all get lumped into a "RAPID FIRE TRIGGER ACTIVATOR" group and is then further defined.

“RAPID FIRE TRIGGER ACTIVATOR” INCLUDES A BUMP STOCK AND TRIGGER CRANK, TRIGGER CRANK, HELLFIRE TRIGGER, BINARY TRIGGER SYSTEM, BURST TRIGGER SYSTEM, OR A COPY OR A SIMILAR DEVICE, REGARDLESS OF THE PRODUCER OR MANUFACTURER.

“RAPID FIRE TRIGGER ACTIVATOR” DOES NOT INCLUDE A SEMIAUTOMATIC REPLACEMENT TRIGGER THAT IMPROVES THE PERFORMANCE AND FUNCTIONALITY OVER THE STOCK TRIGGER.

Here is the restriction/grandfathering part, you need to own it prior to Oct 1 2018.
They mention applying to the ATF, I have no idea what that means for a trigger or bumpstock as neither are regulated..unless they know something we don't coming down the pipeline at the federal level.
Anyone see the stories of the ATF requesting an addition 25 employees for paperwork processing...Wonder if this is all related.
Does anyone have any clue on the ATF authorization part?

(A) EXCEPT AS PROVIDED IN SUBSECTION (B) OF THIS SECTION, A PERSON
MAY NOT:
(1) TRANSPORT A RAPID FIRE TRIGGER ACTIVATOR INTO THE STATE;
OR
(2) MANUFACTURE, POSSESS, SELL, OFFER TO SELL, TRANSFER,
PURCHASE, OR RECEIVE A RAPID FIRE TRIGGER ACTIVATOR.

(B) THIS SECTION DOES NOT APPLY TO THE POSSESSION OF A RAPID FIRE
TRIGGER ACTIVATOR BY A PERSON WHO:
(1) POSSESSED THE RAPID FIRE TRIGGER ACTIVATOR BEFORE
OCTOBER 1, 2018;
(2) APPLIED TO THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO,
FIREARMS AND EXPLOSIVES BEFORE OCTOBER 1, 2018, FOR AUTHORIZATION TO
POSSESS A RAPID FIRE TRIGGER ACTIVATOR; AND
(3) IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS FOR
POSSESSION OF A RAPID FIRE TRIGGER ACTIVATOR.

However in the crimnal law section it notes you don't just need to apply but actually get approval from the ATF:

RECEIVED AUTHORIZATION TO POSSESS A RAPID FIRE TRIGGER ACTIVATOR FROM THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, FIREARMS AND EXPLOSIVES BEFORE OCTOBER 1, 2019; AND is in compliance with all federal requirements for possession of a rapid fire trigger activator

Can any lawyers or those more informed clear up how in the wolrd the ATF approval would play into that?

Also for those wondering the echo's are $480 from fostech, they are backorded on optics planet but only $400 there with the current sale.

44man · Mar 17, 2018

MigraineMan said:
Further, it's an election year. With all 47 Senate and 141 House seats up for grabs, you can bet that legislators are evaluating how floor votes will be used against them. The bump-stock ban is likely to be THE polarizing issue for the primaries this year. There's plenty of good campaign catch-phrase-ology that resonates with the average Joe/Joann - "weapons of war," "blood in the streets," "protecting our children," "common sense restrictions," et cetera.

I know a losing bet when I see one, and so do they. As much as I don't like everyone voting in favor of the bump-stock ban, I understand why they did. You could make a principled-stand, but you won't be around for the next GA session ... Don't take it personally; it's just politics.

Fvck that.

You are either for the 2a and constitution or you are not

Not another inch means not another inch

So rolling over and giving away our rights, especially after hearing how pro 2a they were, from their mouths and from others here abouts, makes them traitors. And it goes against the oath they took when they took office.

Liars and traitors the whole lot of them, minus 7 true patriots and any that voted correctly in the senate which I haven’t seen posted

No one I know of will contact or who works for me will vote for them

buellsfurn · Mar 17, 2018

Stagstalker said:
So it appears, when you pass, your children nor anyone else may inherit your 2A rights, your heritage, investments nor collections. And the current and previous exercised 2A rights must also end with this generation. Death by one thousand cuts must end. I still believe reaching out to those above MD politicians would be more effective, those that hold sacred the Constitution and their Oath to uphold it. No matter how you slice it, its still an attack against the Constitution not matter which political machine spins it. The Federal government is quite busy at the moment but many claim they are very responsive with petitions, perhaps a petition for assistance, that we're under attack, requesting a cease and desist from communist take over. How many bot calls and bot emails to our conservative reps would deceive them into thinking the majority would have them tear up the Constitution? Treasonous.

share the link info please

MigraineMan · Mar 17, 2018

44man said:
Fvck that.

You are either for the 2a and constitution or you are not

Oh, I hear ya. But this might be a "win the battle, lose the war" scenario. Standing firm would give the opposition a significant advantage coming in to the election cycle. If we lose seats in the GA, that will be "even worse."

And a Rack pointed out, the fight ain't over, and might be better fought with judicial proceedings using the un-constitutional nature of the "takings."

rambling_one · Mar 17, 2018

Representative government should mean precisely that. When representatives don’t represent, what’s left?

East2West · Mar 17, 2018

MigraineMan said:
Further, it's an election year. With all 47 Senate and 141 House seats up for grabs, you can bet that legislators are evaluating how floor votes will be used against them. The bump-stock ban is likely to be THE polarizing issue for the primaries this year. There's plenty of good campaign catch-phrase-ology that resonates with the average Joe/Joann - "weapons of war," "blood in the streets," "protecting our children," "common sense restrictions," et cetera.

I know a losing bet when I see one, and so do they. As much as I don't like everyone voting in favor of the bump-stock ban, I understand why they did. You could make a principled-stand, but you won't be around for the next GA session ... Don't take it personally; it's just politics.

That last line is so symbolic of how we got here. These Republicans vote away our rights, we throw a tissy in Annapolis, they shrugbtheir shoulders and say "it's just politics". Then we forgive them so we can what? Save a few bucks at the tolls? Save a few hundred dollars in taxes?? Exactly what are we getting out of giving these people a pass because "that's just politics"?

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