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Old September 5th, 2018, 12:07 PM #1
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Binary Triggers

Below is a letter that I received from ATF regarding an inquiry that Imade about Binary Triggers.

It does not appear to be a favorable response but it should provide some insight into the current thinking.
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.Mr. Cap:

This is in reply to your recent email to the Firearms Industry Programs Branch (FIPB) Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) seeking information on the Franklin Armory binary trigger system. Specifically, you wish to know if it is lawful to possess the Franklin Armory binary trigger system.

As way of background, the National Firearms Act (NFA) 26 U.S.C. 5845 (b) defines a “machinegun” as follows:

“…any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person”.

The stated purpose of the Franklin Armory binary trigger system is to allow the operator of the firearm into which the binary trigger system is installed to fire the weapon in a rapid manner thus simulating automatic fire.

To date, a working version of the current design of the Franklin Armory binary trigger system has not been submitted or evaluated in regards to its classification within Title 18 and Title 26 and thus we are unable to comment specifically about the current design of the Franklin Armory binary trigger system.

However, similar devices have been evaluated and their installation was found to convert the firearm into which they were installed into a machinegun as such is defined in 26 U.S.C. 5845 (b). ATF has long held that a single pull of the trigger is the same as a “single function” of the trigger. Similarly, the release of the trigger is a single function of the trigger. In analyzing and classifying these items, ATF determined that a single pull of the trigger occurs as long as constant pressure is applied to the trigger even if a mechanism within the firearm pushes the finger forward allowing the trigger to reset. In the items that were examined, the shooter never releases the trigger, and the single constant pull results in the firing of a second projectile. The single constant pull of the trigger without a subsequent release is a “single function of the trigger.”

If a Franklin Armory binary trigger system or any other device or part was installed into a firearm and the firearm subsequently fired automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger as described above, it would be a “machinegun” as defined in 26 U.S.C. 5845 (b). The manufacture and possession of such a weapon by an unlicensed individual would be unlawful and would subject its unlicensed manufacturer or possessor to prosecution.

We thank you for your inquiry and trust that the foregoing has been responsive.

Michael S Knapp
Firearms Enforcement Specialist
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
Firearms and Explosives Industry Division
Firearms Industry Programs Branch
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People need to stop poking the bear on this kind of stuff! Stop communicating with the ATF. Nothing good can come of it! We need to start taking legal action against them not asking for permission to wipe our own asses!
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Below is a letter that I received from ATF regarding an inquiry that Imade about Binary Triggers.

It does not appear to be a favorable response but it should provide some insight into the current thinking.
.................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ........................

.Mr. Cap:

This is in reply to your recent email to the Firearms Industry Programs Branch (FIPB) Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) seeking information on the Franklin Armory binary trigger system. Specifically, you wish to know if it is lawful to possess the Franklin Armory binary trigger system.

As way of background, the National Firearms Act (NFA) 26 U.S.C. 5845 (b) defines a “machinegun” as follows:

“…any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person”.

The stated purpose of the Franklin Armory binary trigger system is to allow the operator of the firearm into which the binary trigger system is installed to fire the weapon in a rapid manner thus simulating automatic fire.

To date, a working version of the current design of the Franklin Armory binary trigger system has not been submitted or evaluated in regards to its classification within Title 18 and Title 26 and thus we are unable to comment specifically about the current design of the Franklin Armory binary trigger system.

However, similar devices have been evaluated and their installation was found to convert the firearm into which they were installed into a machinegun as such is defined in 26 U.S.C. 5845 (b). ATF has long held that a single pull of the trigger is the same as a “single function” of the trigger. Similarly, the release of the trigger is a single function of the trigger. In analyzing and classifying these items, ATF determined that a single pull of the trigger occurs as long as constant pressure is applied to the trigger even if a mechanism within the firearm pushes the finger forward allowing the trigger to reset. In the items that were examined, the shooter never releases the trigger, and the single constant pull results in the firing of a second projectile. The single constant pull of the trigger without a subsequent release is a “single function of the trigger.”

If a Franklin Armory binary trigger system or any other device or part was installed into a firearm and the firearm subsequently fired automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger as described above, it would be a “machinegun” as defined in 26 U.S.C. 5845 (b). The manufacture and possession of such a weapon by an unlicensed individual would be unlawful and would subject its unlicensed manufacturer or possessor to prosecution.

We thank you for your inquiry and trust that the foregoing has been responsive.

Michael S Knapp
Firearms Enforcement Specialist
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
Firearms and Explosives Industry Division
Firearms Industry Programs Branch
And the binary triggers pass the one function test, hence they aren't a machine gun. Unless you think the ATF is knowingly allowing tens of thousands of new machine guns to be publicly made with no repercussions...
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People need to stop poking the bear on this kind of stuff! Stop communicating with the ATF. Nothing good can come of it! We need to start taking legal action against them not asking for permission to wipe our own asses!
The state of Maryland wrote the law in such a way that contacting the ATF is mandatory in order for Marylanders to keep their lawfully purchased devices.

Every Maryland gun owner, whether they own a Rapid Fire Trigger Activator or not, should write a letter to the ATF seeking permission to own one post October 1st.

The more the ATF tells Marylanders to phuckoff, the better chance Marylanders have of overturning this poorly written BS law.

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The state of Maryland wrote the law in such a way that contacting the ATF is mandatory in order for Marylanders to keep their lawfully purchased devices.

Every Maryland gun owner, whether they own a Rapid Fire Trigger Activator or not, should write a letter to the ATF seeking permission to own one post October 1st.

The more the ATF tells Marylanders to phuckoff, the better chance Marylanders have of overturning this poorly written BS law.

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The state of Maryland wrote the law in such a way that contacting the ATF is mandatory in order for Marylanders to keep their lawfully purchased devices.

Every Maryland gun owner, whether they own a Rapid Fire Trigger Activator or not, should write a letter to the ATF seeking permission to own one post October 1st.

The more the ATF tells Marylanders to phuckoff, the better chance Marylanders have of overturning this poorly written BS law.

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Eh. Since the ATF put out an advisory stating that they are not accepting such applications, asking permission is moot, unless they screw up and acknowlage one.
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Eh. Since the ATF put out an advisory stating that they are not accepting such applications, asking permission is moot, unless they screw up and acknowlage one.
The ATF saying they won't participate in executing Maryland law is what's most important.

The ATF is stating that Maryland law can't be adhered to as written.

The more requests submitted the better.
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It's weird asking for permission for something that's inherently legal. This law is like saying you have freedom of speech but it's illegal to talk, write or type too fast.
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It's weird asking for permission for something that's inherently legal. This law is like saying you have freedom of speech but it's illegal to talk, write or type too fast.
You are 100% correct, sir.

And that's precisely why we have to ask ATF's permission.

To document the utter absurdity.

The ATF refusing to be a party to this nonsense speaks volumes.
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It's weird asking for permission for something that's inherently legal. This law is like saying you have freedom of speech but it's illegal to talk, write or type too fast.
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