"Red flags laws won't be abused"

RobSto · Aug 21, 2019

I was sideswiped by an alien at a red light in the PG area. it wasn't in its UFO though it was driving a Chevy Caviler, it refused to pull over or acknowledge what it had done,
just kept driving, the 911 lady said to get its plate and see where alien is traveling to. When it eventually stopped after arriving to its destination an actual alien got out and was talking on her communication device in a language I couldn't understand. Im not even sure if the alien was legally aloud to drive because my insurance company couldnt even find out which alien owns the transportation device because no information comes up with that Make/Model and Tag. It was actually easier for me to pay the dealership to fix it than try and have insurance figure it out and fix. I never want to get hit by another alien.

Buster Brown said:
I dont understand why so many people make everything about race. Just call the incident what it is. I dont care if a alien side swipes me in his ufo, im still gonna be mad and it has nothing to do with hating aliens..well maybe in that case scared as hell but you get my point

clint west · Aug 21, 2019

red flag is like candy to the kooks

and the socialists, gun banners etc. No way they will be able to resist abusing the system. Contributory to the potentially fatal problem are the foolish PDs that choose to use swat to process the order.

So, its beyond obvious to everyone that more safeguards should be built into the process to prevent abuse

Mightydog · Aug 25, 2019

There may be some hope for Fredneck after all! Not much but some!

lazarus · Aug 26, 2019

Mightydog said:
There may be some hope for Fredneck after all! Not much but some!

I think they’d curb violence. I also think they’ll be abused. I also think for every one legit future threat to themselves or others dozens of people who are harmless are going to get woken up in the middle of the night and their guns stolen.

Do we arrest every suspicious looking person on the street? Some of them are bound to be criminals or someone who’s about to break in to a car, or house or rob someone.

Revoking the fourth and fifth might end up solving more crimes and getting more people incarcerated who’d keep committing crimes.

But we live (arguably) in a free society. That means to keep from ruining innocent people’s lives we accept that sometimes a crime is going to happen or a criminal gets away scott free.

Mightydog · Aug 26, 2019

But I believe what someone else posted hit the nail on the head, which was...”why take the guns from the individual and leave the individual if they are such a threat? Isn’t it better to remove the individual from the equation”.

And if these people are so serious about curbing gun violence then use the laws that are already written. Enforce the penalties, do the crime and serve the time. Funny how when messiah Obummer pardoned felons who used a gun in their crimes the liberals praised him. If Trump did it they crucify him!

HoCoShooter · Aug 26, 2019

So here's the best equivalent to the current red flag laws & proposals that I can come up with.

You think your next door neighbor is an alcoholic and drives drunk. You've seen him coming home at 2 am, you've seen beer cans in his recycling, etc. You haven't ever SEEN him drive drunk, but hey better safe than sorry, right?

You call the cops and file a red flag auto report. They come by and talk to him, why yes, he does have a car. And a liquor cabinet, no less. He freely admits he goes to bars, like lots of other people, but denies ever driving drunk. The cops check his record. He's never had a DUI or been in any alcohol-related trouble before. However, they take his car and keys and tell him he can't drive his wife's car either- in fact, they take that too because it's considered shared property, and if they don't he'll just use it.

No worries, the cops say - you'll get your car back in 21 days or less, provided the Judge doesn't find you guilty of anything. Don't worry, there's no loss of due process here, you are getting it now. We just took your car(s) in the meantime to keep the public safe. (Over 10k people died in 2017 from alcohol-related crashes, which is within a few thousand of the same number of annual gun deaths if you remove suicides).

It's really not any different, in fact it's worse because it completely removes your ability (and your God-given and constitutional rights) to defend yourself and your loved ones. I'm not nearly as concerned with this passing in congress as I am with the States all continuing to pass their own while waiting on a court smackdown which could be years and years away.

Orwellian and way beyond F'ed up. I still can't believe a single one has passed, but that's today's Democrat party.

Threeband · Aug 26, 2019

Good plan to confiscate cars from people who might drive drunk.

One addition: before a Judge returns the cars, the red-flagged driver has to find a doctor who will certify that the person will never drink and drive.

pcfixer · Aug 27, 2019

Threeband said:
Good plan to confiscate cars from people who might drive drunk.

One addition: before a Judge returns the cars, the red-flagged driver has to find a doctor who will certify that the person will never drink and drive.

jc1240 · Sep 1, 2019

FBI seized guns under an Oregon red flag law from a former Marine who said he would 'slaughter' antifa members if they attacked him.

“If Antifa gets to the point where they start killing us, I’m going to kill them next," Kohfield told a crowd, according to the Oregonian. “I’d slaughter them, and I have a detailed plan on how I would wipe out Antifa.”

What I don't get is why is the FBI involved? If this is a state law, shouldn't it have been state/local law enforcement?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/former-m...ed-flag-law-after-remarks-about-antifa-report

Engine4 · Sep 1, 2019

HoCoShooter said:
So here's the best equivalent to the current red flag laws & proposals that I can come up with.

Perfect analogy! May I use this when I testify at the next general assembly?

Pale Ryder · Sep 1, 2019

I was wondering the same. Evidently the swamp has not been sufficiently cleaned.

BeoBill · Sep 1, 2019

jc1240 said:
FBI seized guns under an Oregon red flag law from a former Marine who said he would 'slaughter' antifa members if they attacked him.

What I don't get is why is the FBI involved? If this is a state law, shouldn't it have been state/local law enforcement?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/former-m...ed-flag-law-after-remarks-about-antifa-report

Pale Ryder said:
I was wondering the same. Evidently the swamp has not been sufficiently cleaned.

I suspect that there's more to that story than meets the eye right now. We'll just have to wait and see, I guess.

And he still has the option of Molotov cocktails to defend himself from Antifa... :innocent0

Bob A · Sep 1, 2019

jc1240 said:
FBI seized guns under an Oregon red flag law from a former Marine who said he would 'slaughter' antifa members if they attacked him.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/former-m...ed-flag-law-after-remarks-about-antifa-report

According to the Marine in question, Kohfield conceded that he probably appeared threatening to other people, but he never intended to cause harm.

“I looked unhinged,” he told the newspaper. “I looked dangerous and have the training to be dangerous.”

If he had been more discreet, he would still have his firearms, and still be able to defend himself. Public ranting and verbal threats of violence are seldom useful. In the Surveillance Century, you shouldn't need Miranda to remind you that what you say may be used against you. It probably will.

Loud public threats of slaughter are very seldom useful.

jc1240 · Sep 1, 2019

Bob A said:
According to the Marine in question, Kohfield conceded that he probably appeared threatening to other people, but he never intended to cause harm.

“I looked unhinged,” he told the newspaper. “I looked dangerous and have the training to be dangerous.”

If he had been more discreet, he would still have his firearms, and still be able to defend himself. Public ranting and verbal threats of violence are seldom useful. In the Surveillance Century, you shouldn't need Miranda to remind you that what you say may be used against you. It probably will.

Loud public threats of slaughter are very seldom useful.

Yeah. I'm more interested in why the FBI was involved with a STATE law.

Pale Ryder · Sep 1, 2019

jc1240 said:
Yeah. I'm more interested in why the FBI was involved with a STATE law.

Me too, maybe Antifa is one of those protected species.

BeoBill · Sep 1, 2019

Or maybe they suspected that HE was Antifa. He certainly looked the part.

daNattyFatty · Sep 1, 2019

BeoBill said:
Or maybe they suspected that HE was Antifa. He certainly looked the part.

Doesn’t matter. The FBI cannot enforce state laws unless they’re on a taskforce where at least one LEO has local jurisdiction.

At most, they can detain someone for a state violation, but they still would need a local to actually charge.

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inkd · Sep 1, 2019

HoCoShooter said:
So here's the best equivalent to the current red flag laws & proposals that I can come up with.

You think your next door neighbor is an alcoholic and drives drunk. You've seen him coming home at 2 am, you've seen beer cans in his recycling, etc. You haven't ever SEEN him drive drunk, but hey better safe than sorry, right?

You call the cops and file a red flag auto report. They come by and talk to him, why yes, he does have a car. And a liquor cabinet, no less. He freely admits he goes to bars, like lots of other people, but denies ever driving drunk. The cops check his record. He's never had a DUI or been in any alcohol-related trouble before. However, they take his car and keys and tell him he can't drive his wife's car either- in fact, they take that too because it's considered shared property, and if they don't he'll just use it.

No worries, the cops say - you'll get your car back in 21 days or less, provided the Judge doesn't find you guilty of anything. Don't worry, there's no loss of due process here, you are getting it now. We just took your car(s) in the meantime to keep the public safe. (Over 10k people died in 2017 from alcohol-related crashes, which is within a few thousand of the same number of annual gun deaths if you remove suicides).

It's really not any different, in fact it's worse because it completely removes your ability (and your God-given and constitutional rights) to defend yourself and your loved ones. I'm not nearly as concerned with this passing in congress as I am with the States all continuing to pass their own while waiting on a court smackdown which could be years and years away.

Orwellian and way beyond F'ed up. I still can't believe a single one has passed, but that's today's Democrat party.

I've used that exact analogy to people, trying to explain how ridiculous the red flag laws are. Some of them had light bulbs go off over their heads.

Others were stuck to the "guns are evil and scary" way of thinking.

BeoBill · Sep 2, 2019

daNattyFatty said:
Doesn’t matter. The FBI cannot enforce state laws unless they’re on a taskforce where at least one LEO has local jurisdiction.

At most, they can detain someone for a state violation, but they still would need a local to actually charge.

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Seems like he wrote his threat to a Congresscritter, so that's the FBI angle.

See: https://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=5649310&postcount=70

pbharvey · Oct 19, 2019

U.S. veteran's guns confiscated when waitress reports innocent conversation

"Nichols said the waitress made a complaint to Tisbury Police about what she overheard and on the strength of that, [Police Chief Mark] Saloio and another officer relieved Nichols of his crossing guard duties while he was in the midst of performing them and subsequently drove to his home and took away his firearms license and guns,"

By all reports, Nichols is an upstanding member of the community. He said he has worked in auxiliary roles with the Tisbury Police for a staggering six decades, and has also been a court officer and constable. And it definitely appears that he was overheard voicing concern for a school shooting, certainly not encouraging one.

I hope this guy dies a multimillionaire from the lawsuit he should file.

Unfortunately the president set the tone early for Red Flag laws.

"Red flags laws won't be abused"

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