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Old November 5th, 2018, 07:06 PM #21
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Just so everyone understands, the Governor has no control how HB 1302 is actually implemented under the language of the statute.
I understand the Hogan was no control over how this is implemented, and this will only serve to rase awareness, but how else can we fight this?
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And I think the officer's partner could have tazed him into submission. Or whacked him a good one with his baton. EXCESSIVE FORCE IMO. And was he shot from the front or the back? That makes a BIG difference. But since there were no body cameras available, it's a "he said/he said" situation. And the tie-breaking participant in the trio is unavailable for comment.
You nor I wasn't there. You don't know has close they were. And you honestly think you are quicker with a baton than a man with a gun in the hand? The report seems pretty clear. If an officer or anyone who identifies themselves as one, you simply need to obey. You let the courts decide who is right. You only get one life.

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Yes give it more time to get thier story's straight and sweep it under the rug. To bad the only witness is dead.
Do you have some evidence that suggest that? If not then it is speculation on your part.

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I understand the Hogan was no control over how this is implemented, and this will only serve to rase awareness, but how else can we fight this?
We raise awareness. We gather facts that support our view. We write a bill to repeal it. We expand or tent. We form a coalition and go to the state and national party and demand support.

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Do you have some evidence that suggest that? If not then it is speculation on your part.

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We are not going to get any more evidence in either direction. The police have released thier official statement, there is no body can footage, and the only surviving witness are going to say whatever they can to keep thier jobs because they killed a man.
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Anne Arundel County Police today killed a man in his own home in a pre-dawn raid.

Police were serving a search warrant there to locate and confiscate firearms that the man presumably owned and possessed lawfully; the search was authorized under Maryland's new "Red Flag" law.

The man's death was as unnecessary as it was avoidable, but in their zeal to further burden and ostracize Maryland gun owners our legislators and Governor passed this dreadfully defective and now lethal law that has resulted in this terrible tragedy.

We always feared -- and repeatedly warned -- that such a death (with more deaths inevitably to come) would result from the attempted enforcement of this bad law.

We call upon Governor Hogan to immediately suspend the enforcement of Maryland's new "Red Flag" law pending review by a special commission of citizens advised by members of the civil rights, firearm, judicial and law enforcement communities to study how a man who had not been accused and convicted of any crime died in his own doorway because the law was enforced as was intended.

The search warrant for the raid was issued under Maryland's new "Red Flag" law after the victim's sister claimed to police that she felt her brother was dangerous.

Under this unprecedented and clearly defective "Red Flag" law one person can accuse another in a secret, one-sided ("ex parte") "judicial proceeding."

It is a bizarre process in which the accused does not testify in their own defense, nor even know they have been accused -- and who may unwittingly become -- such as today's victim -- the subject of a dangerous SWAT raid at their own home to locate legal property that this law specifically seeks to confiscate: legally owned firearms.

This "Red Flag" law clearly violates all notions of American due process: respect for the rights of all law-abiding citizens and the rights of the accused.

Due process in a contested two-party judicial process is an inviolable American principle, inherited during our hundreds of years of both English common law and American jurisprudence.

Maryland has ignored that principle, now to our shared detriment.

We issued extensive and repeated warnings to every legislator we spoke with that the deaths of innocent citizens and members of law enforcement would occur as the direct consequence of this law.

Whether lobbying informally on the bricks of the Statehouse sidewalks, or formally testifying during committee hearings about the defectiveness of this "Red Flag" law as proposed, or calling, or emailing the offices of our state legislators and our Governor, we warned about the lethal danger of this law to both innocent, law-abiding citizens as well as to the unfortunate members of local and state law-enforcement who would be required to attempt to enforce its unwise provisions.

Therefore, we call on Governor Hogan to act immediately to suspend all "Red Flag" law enforcement actions pending review of its already lethal enforcement.

We also call on our state legislators to repeal this defective law during the coming legislative session.

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Just so everyone understands, the Governor has no control how HB 1302 is actually implemented under the language of the statute.
That’s even more of a reason for him not to have signed it into law.

“Gotta pass it before we can see what’s in it”
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Wish I could attend, under Doctors orders not to drive for the remainder of the day,,,, (burns my ass).
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Just so everyone understands, the Governor has no control how HB 1302 is actually implemented under the language of the statute.
Our demonstration is under his window because of his gleeful signing ceremony.

Our real target tonight is getting our objections about 1302 back out into the media.
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Excellent.
The only revision I would suggest is the add "pre-dawn" before SWAT raid.
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