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Old November 12th, 2018, 05:37 PM #71
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I've gone through the exact same background and fingerprinting yet I still had to do it all again to get a HQL. Just saying.



Who did your background and for what reason?
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Old November 12th, 2018, 09:13 PM #72
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I'm not going to continue arguing with you in this thread. If you feel the need to continue explaining the concept of state recognized training like I'm a toddler, we can discuss over PM.
I can tell you the truth. It is up to you to accept it or not. I am not "arguing" with you. Simply providing answers to the questions.

PS. The "toddler" comment is unnecessary... I had not even considered such a notion as part of this exchange.

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I've gone through the exact same background and fingerprinting yet I still had to do it all again to get a HQL. Just saying.
As I pointed out in another post...

The State wrote into the law exactly which types of training/qualifiers they will accept as "compliant with their requirements".

The accepted forms of training and qualifiers are listed because they go further than the State requires AND they are State recognized certified protocols.

One can have a PhD in firearms. But... if it is not a State recognized certification... they will STILL need to go through the State Certified Training to acquire a HQL...

THE POLICE DID NOT WRITE THIS LAW... LAWYERS DID.
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Lets put aside the training aspect of the HQL. The Leo exemption for the paperwork, fee, and fingerprints that go along with it also raises concerns. What conditions in law enforcement would exclude those requirements?
This is my issue with it. Police are exempt from needing an HQL at all, the whole training thing totally aside. Again, it's because they're treated as a different class of people. Like I said, part of it is that the people who write these laws want the buy in of the brass and LEO political organizations (so they can stand there with some guys with shiny things on their eaupalets behind them for a photo op and say "look, the police agree with this!") and part of it is that they want to reinforce that guns are so dangerous that you can only trust the police with them.
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This is my issue with it. Police are exempt from needing an HQL at all, the whole training thing totally aside. Again, it's because they're treated as a different class of people. Like I said, part of it is that the people who write these laws want the buy in of the brass and LEO political organizations (so they can stand there with some guys with shiny things on their eaupalets behind them for a photo op and say "look, the police agree with this!") and part of it is that they want to reinforce that guns are so dangerous that you can only trust the police with them.
Sorry I disagree with you. There seems to be exceptions beyond LEOs. Exceptions to possession of the HQL License:
  • Licensed Firearms Manufacturer
  • Active law enforcement officer or a person retired in good standing from a law enforcement agency of the United States (Federal Law Enforcement), the State, or a local law enforcement agency of the State.
  • Active or retired member of the United States Armed Forces or National Guard and possesses a valid military identification card.
  • A person purchasing, renting or receiving an antique, curio or relic as defined in federal law.
  • Maryland licensed firearms dealers. (Sole Proprietors)

Required to have the HQL, but exempt from the training component:
  • Someone who completed a firearms safety training course approved by the Secretary of the Department of Maryland State Police.
  • Has completed a course of instruction in the competency and safety of firearms as prescribed under Natural Resources Article, §10-301.1, Annotated Code of Maryland. Application for the Maryland Department of Natural Resources Hunter Safety Course Certificate can be obtained from here and may be used in lieu of Qualified Handgun Instruction.
  • Is currently a qualified handgun instructor.
  • Is an honorably discharged member of the armed forces of the United States or National Guard.
  • Is an employee of an armored car company who has a handgun permit issued by MSP.
  • ​​Lawfully owns a regulated firearm, you do not have to complete the training to apply for the Handgun Qualification License.

Maybe try getting it amended or repealed then.
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Maybe try getting it amended or repealed then.
I have given money, joined organizations, and phoned legislators for just that reason.

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So if you can’t get it repealed your solution is to make more people do it? Working crab pot theory.
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So if you can’t get it repealed your solution is to make more people do it? Working crab pot theory.
Yes.

Because if the special crabs that are more equal than the other crabs were suddenly brought down to the level of the peasant crabs, they might be pissed off enough to do something about it.
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Yes.

Because if the special crabs that are more equal than the other crabs were suddenly brought down to the level of the peasant crabs, they might be pissed off enough to do something about it.
Or there is another possibility? You might piss them off enough that they side with the opposition...
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Or there is another possibility? You might piss them off enough that they side with the opposition...
They do already.

And please understand, I'm not talking about guys like RD or 1time or the other LEOs that we all know. Just by dint of being here, those guys demonstrate that they're on our side of things. When I talk about the "they" in these last few posts, I mean the brass and other guys who stand up and say "the police support this, mere civilians need a license to exercise their rights!"

I wonder how many of those guys would back off that stance if all of their rank and file were suddenly required to jump the same hoops that the rest of us do?
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I wonder how many of those guys would back off that stance if all of their rank and file were suddenly required to jump the same hoops that the rest of us do?
I can give you an answer to that, the vast majority of the major city police chiefs could really careless what the trooper or patrolman think or desire. They are hired to be the mayor's parrot in most cases. We learned that during the last magazine ban attempt. Luckily, it blew up in his face.

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