Los Angeles bans ownership of firearm magazines > 10 rounds

Jim12 · Jul 29, 2015

MikeTF said:
We had an office in Los Angeles. For some reason their staff was ill equipped to prepare their own presentation materials. We lent our staff out to them. Sadly, there was a typographical error that several editors missed and spell check didn't pick up. 'Lost Angeles' was at the footer of every document.

Error, or Freudian slip?

Peartree · Jul 29, 2015

I think everyone may be missing the point.....

If CA gets away with this, MD will be the next in line.....

WeaponsCollector · Jul 29, 2015

I lost all my magazines in a horrible boating accident. I don't like to talk about it, was a traumatic experience. :sad20:

MikeTF · Jul 30, 2015

Jim12 said:
Error, or Freudian slip?

We apologized profusely! :innocent0

DC-W · Jul 30, 2015

Peartree said:
I think everyone may be missing the point.....

If CA gets away with this, MD will be the next in line.....

Not if you don't stand idly by.

Hit and Run · Jul 30, 2015

To paraphrase Connecticut Legislator in regards to massive non-compliance to their knee-jerk reaction laws post Sandy-Hook, "If you pass a law and it is ignored by an overwhelming majority, is it truly a law."

gamer_jim · Jul 30, 2015

Peartree said:
I think everyone may be missing the point.....

If CA gets away with this, MD will be the next in line.....

I will not comply.

smokey · Jul 30, 2015

The best way to point out the errors in reasoning here are to ask those in favor of this how exactly they arrived at 10 rounds. Ask why not 9 or 12 or 3. If it'still to limit how many people can be killed, why not ban magazines outright and force people to handload one at a time, why do they think it's OK for 10 people to be shot before a reload if they believe this will stop criminals? If this is such a good idea, make it mandatory for police as well. If they don't agree it should also apply to police force them to explain why police need more than 10 rounds and then ask why those same arguments don't apply to law abiding citizens using guns for THEIR defense.

Maestro Pistolero · Jul 30, 2015

smokey0118 said:
The best way to point out the errors in reasoning here are to ask those in favor of this how exactly they arrived at 10 rounds. Ask why not 9 or 12 or 3. If it'still to limit how many people can be killed, why not ban magazines outright and force people to handload one at a time, why do they think it's OK for 10 people to be shot before a reload if they believe this will stop criminals? If this is such a good idea, make it mandatory for police as well. If they don't agree it should also apply to police force them to explain why police need more than 10 rounds and then ask why those same arguments don't apply to law abiding citizens using guns for THEIR defense.

We are almost never at a loss for a cogent argument. What's missing is a judiciary that will embrace logic and the constitution.

The sphinx · Jul 30, 2015

I'm so glad I don't live in CA. When I was a kid it was a dream to one day live there. Then again I also dreamed of becoming a Wizard.

TheSubieNinja7 · Jul 30, 2015

I've never understood how people don't raise the clear argument that restrictions on the possession of magazines/AWs are ex post facto laws. They're literally retroactively criminalizing conduct that was legal prior, i.e. possession of standard cap mags.

At the same time, even if it was not an ex post facto law, the government is clearly seizing property, which would then require just compensation. So many constitutional issues with laws like these.

cantstop · Jul 30, 2015

I'm waiting for CA to pass a law that all "civilian" owned firearms must be painted fluorescent orange. Lord knows, only black and camo colored guns are used in committing crimes.

If we just banned black & camo guns, then we would have no crime.

Dingo3 · Jul 30, 2015

TheSubieNinja7 said:
I've never understood how people don't raise the clear argument that restrictions on the possession of magazines/AWs are ex post facto laws. They're literally retroactively criminalizing conduct that was legal prior, i.e. possession of standard cap mags.

At the same time, even if it was not an ex post facto law, the government is clearly seizing property, which would then require just compensation. So many constitutional issues with laws like these.

I'm not a lawyer and did not stay at a Holiday Inn. That being said, I believe that the above only refers to Congress according to the Constitution and not to the States.

Please correct me if I am wrong (which happens a lot but that's how I learn). I'm sure that I'm wrong and would definitely appreciate constructive criticism.

gabe72 · Jul 30, 2015

Like md changing laws for a previous conviction that now makes you a probibited person,the constitution appllies to states as well

JohnnyE · Jul 30, 2015

TheSubieNinja7 said:
I've never understood how people don't raise the clear argument that restrictions on the possession of magazines/AWs are ex post facto laws. They're literally retroactively criminalizing conduct that was legal prior, i.e. possession of standard cap mags.

At the same time, even if it was not an ex post facto law, the government is clearly seizing property, which would then require just compensation. So many constitutional issues with laws like these.

It would only be an ex post facto law if they passed a law today that punished you for having the magazines yesterday. The new law is only prospective. It was ok to have the magazines yesterday and today, but you got to get rid of them before tomorrow. Heck, I'm sure the folks possessing cocaine and morphine on the '30's were upset when these things got regulated by the pure food and drug act, which suddenly made them illegal, or booze, when the Volstead Act was passed following adoption of the 18th amendment...

Mr Bear · Jul 30, 2015

I bet there'll be a few Cali's who comply simply because the gov't is telling them to do it, disregarding the fact the mags have been legal to possess until today.

Politicians out there have been inhaling too much polluted air. Unfortunately for us, the nitwits in our GA might try to pass something similar for us. Don't believe there'd be a very high rate of compliance by our Md brethren.

Allium · Jul 30, 2015

I wonder how the movies and tv shows will comply. Filmed in LA - so all the cops and criminals will have 10 round mags? OR how about Top Shot if that is still around, since they film in CA will they only be allowed 10 rounds?

swinokur · Jul 30, 2015

The new law applies to the City of LA, not the county or the rest of the state..

yet.

CA code allows large cap mags for movies

Large capacity magazines may be manufactured for any federal, state, or local government or law
enforcement agency, or for use by agency employees in the discharge of their official duties, whether on or
off duty.
PC Section 32440
. Large capacity magazines may also be purchased or loaned for the sole use as a
motion picture, television or video prop. PC Section 32445
, PC32450. Such magazines may also be resold to law enforcement agencies, government agencies, or the military, pursuant to applicable federal regulations.
PC Section 32450

For additional large capacity ammunition magazine regulations, see
Cal. Code Regs. tit. 11, §§ 978.40-978.44

Boxcab · Jul 30, 2015

Allium said:
I wonder how the movies and tv shows will comply. Filmed in LA - so all the cops and criminals will have 10 round mags? OR how about Top Shot if that is still around, since they film in CA will they only be allowed 10 rounds?

They already have revolvers that shoot 30 rounds, why not 10 round mags?

embermage · Jul 30, 2015

gamer_jim said:
I will not comply.

The rally cry of those of us from Colorado!

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