iH8DemLibz
When All Else Fails.
With any luck, the Democrat MGA or ATF or FBI will see this thread and hopefully put an end to some of our antique and muzzle loading firearm freedoms.
what is the most usuable 19th century rifle to buy.
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Mr Oni
Military history nut
Sounds like a good bet
Oh come on.
Mr. Oni, the OP describes himself as a "Military History Nut," and lists his collection in his sig line. He already has a bunch of guns:
He already has plenty of 20th Century guns. It looks to me like he wants to expand more into the past than the future.
I realize it is hard for many to comprehend, but not everyone is interested in guns as practical weapons. Not everyone cares about the newest tactical model from Heckler and Koch. Not everybody cares about AR 15s or Glock 19s. Some people enjoy shooting for shooting's sake, not as preparation for Close Quarters Battle. Some people really care about the history, and want to experience that history by actually using the old technology.
I remember years ago when I first joined the North-South Skirmish Association (a target shooting organization), I showed my new Parker Hale Three Band Pattern 1853 .577 musket to my brother in law, who had served as a combat rifleman in Viet Nam. After politely admiring the ungainly muzzleloader, he handed it back with the comment, "Not much good in an ambush, though."
No, not much good in a jungle ambush, but it is just the thing for busting hanging clay pots or 4" tiles in the musket matches on the N-SSA range. And in it's day, it held Marye's Heights and the Bloody Angle.
Different perspective on totally different purposes. I challenge you to broaden your perspective.
Mr. Oni, the OP describes himself as a "Military History Nut," and lists his collection in his sig line. He already has a bunch of guns:
He already has plenty of 20th Century guns. It looks to me like he wants to expand more into the past than the future.
I realize it is hard for many to comprehend, but not everyone is interested in guns as practical weapons. Not everyone cares about the newest tactical model from Heckler and Koch. Not everybody cares about AR 15s or Glock 19s. Some people enjoy shooting for shooting's sake, not as preparation for Close Quarters Battle. Some people really care about the history, and want to experience that history by actually using the old technology.
I remember years ago when I first joined the North-South Skirmish Association (a target shooting organization), I showed my new Parker Hale Three Band Pattern 1853 .577 musket to my brother in law, who had served as a combat rifleman in Viet Nam. After politely admiring the ungainly muzzleloader, he handed it back with the comment, "Not much good in an ambush, though."
No, not much good in a jungle ambush, but it is just the thing for busting hanging clay pots or 4" tiles in the musket matches on the N-SSA range. And in it's day, it held Marye's Heights and the Bloody Angle.
Different perspective on totally different purposes. I challenge you to broaden your perspective.
Mr Oni
Military history nut
Yes I wanted to know what I could buy without doing stupid paperwork and find readily available loaded ammo for. Sure lots of old ammo is still used today so I guess if I found a mosin dated before 1899 i could shoot it. Would love to have a Krag.
Your Brazilian M1908 is a model 1898 Mauser, as is your Czech vz 24. Your Mosins date to 1891.
Do you want something made in the 1800s? Or something designed in the 1800s? Or both?
Most of our firearms technology, and many designs, date to the 19th Century.
iH8DemLibz
When All Else Fails.
Good Post.
On the other hand, it looks like Mr. Oni really does want to avoid the red tape. However, he doesn't appear to be Prohibited.
iH8DemLibz
When All Else Fails.
Thankfully, the ATF has made it perfectly legal to avoid the red tape.
For now anyway.
Biggfoot44
Ultimate Member
- Aug 2, 2009
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From Threeband"s perspective, analysing the OP's sig line . another Mosin is not the biggest hole .
You need a pre-1899 Lee-Enfield. More common in WWI era production, but they do go back to 1895-ish .Not uncommon ammo , good shooters.
And a lack of US Mil bolt actions . But Krags are harder to find , and ammo only has a limited production run once a year.
Trapdoor Springfield mentioned several times above.
You need a pre-1899 Lee-Enfield. More common in WWI era production, but they do go back to 1895-ish .Not uncommon ammo , good shooters.
And a lack of US Mil bolt actions . But Krags are harder to find , and ammo only has a limited production run once a year.
Trapdoor Springfield mentioned several times above.
How about a nice Argy Mauser?
Squaregrouper
Kragaphile
I think everyone knows my response to the question. Sporters/Bubbas can be had in the $300 range.
Any US Krag with a serial number under 152,670 is an antique and can be shipped to your front door.
Buy a basic single stage Lee press and save your brass.
Any US Krag with a serial number under 152,670 is an antique and can be shipped to your front door.
Buy a basic single stage Lee press and save your brass.
Krag actions are things of beauty. The magazine is a brilliant piece of engineering.
Tankfixr
Ultimate Member
Don't forget the Argentine Mauser Modelo 1891. Still can be had for a reasonable price. 7.65 X 53 is still available from Privi. Quite a rifle from the craftsmen at Lowe in Berlin.
There is an echo in here.
Excellent detective work, Agent Smith!
I'm a little disappointed that this thread is about avoiding paperwork. I was really looking forward to learning something about collecting. Might as well look for an Agentine Mauser
So let's say someone was interested in filling a few holes in their collection that were shaped kinda like a trapdoor and a Krag (maybe in both rifle and carbine configurations). If they wanted it to be a safe shooter, too, what would they look for? Obviously tight actions, and nothing bent, broken or missing...but are there any important details someone familiar with firearms but not these types specifically should look for? More importantly, what would they try to avoid? Are there any pitfalls (I'm thinking of things like Khyber Enfields or low numbered Springfields) that a casual collector needs to know about? That's kinda where I was hoping this thread would go so I could follow along and take notes
What about those Mausers from Argentina
Tankfixr
Ultimate Member
mattjans
Member
What a great question and responses. I'm no gun expert, but my dad has a Winchester 25/20, 1892 Model (built in 1910 or so) that's great to shoot. So I'd vote lever action based on no experience with anything else
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iH8DemLibz
When All Else Fails.
The continued brouhaha over red tape and paperwork avoidance, on Non-Firearms that require no red tape and paperwork, is like reading a thread in an Anti-Gun forum.
Is this a new strain of BGOS?
Is this a new strain of BGOS?
Doco Overboard
Ultimate Member
Excellent detective work, Agent Smith!
I'm a little disappointed that this thread is about avoiding paperwork. I was really looking forward to learning something about collecting. Might as well look for an Agentine Mauser
So let's say someone was interested in filling a few holes in their collection that were shaped kinda like a trapdoor and a Krag (maybe in both rifle and carbine configurations). If they wanted it to be a safe shooter, too, what would they look for? Obviously tight actions, and nothing bent, broken or missing...but are there any important details someone familiar with firearms but not these types specifically should look for? More importantly, what would they try to avoid? Are there any pitfalls (I'm thinking of things like Khyber Enfields or low numbered Springfields) that a casual collector needs to know about? That's kinda where I was hoping this thread would go so I could follow along and take notes
What about those Mausers from Argentina
Make sure your Krag has not had the chamber altered for blanks and your trapdoor has not been cut down or shortened. Same with the Krag, a lot have been turned into carbines.
Mr Oni
Military history nut
To be very clear here thank you all for the responses I don't have any nefarious evil plans in asking that question Rather if i saw a nice rifle online at 1 am I could order it and have it shipped to my door. I don't reload ammo nor do i know anyone personally who does and I like the convinience of buying it. So yes I am kind of limited in the Rifles i could get. As for going backwards in time hell yes I would love to own a Dreyse needle rifle or a chassepot? I like military stuff so yes old is the way for me to go.
I don't have any nefarious evil plans in asking that question Rather if i saw a nice rifle online at 1 am I could order it and have it shipped to my door. I don't reload ammo nor do i know anyone personally who does and I like the convinience of buying it. So yes I am kind of limited in the Rifles i could get. As for going backwards in time hell yes I would love to own a Dreyse needle rifle or a chassepot? I like military stuff so yes old is the way for me to go.Users who are viewing this thread
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